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    If a Tier 1 (or 0) profile is not submitted here and continues to not be submitted here despite warnings, it will be deleted. If a user does not update their page based on the suggestions given here, it will be deleted.

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    Stay on topic and do not clog the thread with unnecessary replies. Please be patient, as well, as it may take time for a staff member to review your page, especially if it is long.

    All staff members should follow this thread, and should provide input when possible.

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    • @Aogiri

      The description for your characters looks like that of a tier 0, not a 1-A.

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    • @Aeyu 

      Actually no. That description I used is very similar to the Outer Gods justifaction for their tier within the Cthulhu Mythos. It's definitely not tier 0. 

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    • AogiriKira wrote: Kosuke Susumu

      Needs more explanations on it (Powers, actually), and the Outerverse level rating should not be scaled to characters without linking them. If the pages for them don't exist, explain what they do in this profile. Also add the key.

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    • Mind if I do it tomorrow? Spent alot of time, writing, deleting, and rewriting that page lmao. I'm kind of burnt out. 

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    • @Aogiri

      Even the Outer Gods don't transcend logic and cardinality. They have definable features. Even beings like Yog and Azzy are governed under some form of logical consequences, even if they're outside our capability to comprehend.

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    • HaruhiOfTheSuzumiya wrote: i was told to post this here so

      https://fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Grand_Prophetess_Alaya_(UDM)

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    • Any comments?

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    • "Outerversal" should become "Outerverse level" in the AP

      "None notable" and the stamina stats don't need to be bolded.

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    • @Aeyu 

      They actually do transcend cardinality and logic, as the don't operate under any form of change, persective, or archetypal infinites, and exist above ALL of totality, within The Court of Azathoth. 

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    • Also saying Yog and Azathoth operate under logic, is complete downplay, especially because of their ratings within their respective verse. 

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    • Also what do you mean the Outer Gods have definable features? They don't as they are completely abstract, and metaphysical beings. Outer Gods don't have any form of definable features, only their avatars do, as the Outer Gods are completely beyond form. 

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    • Being beyond change in a singularity of perspective is not analogous to being outside any logical quantification, it merely means it's beyond human comprehension, which is actually what's stated in "Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath". If it were the case that they transcended *all* logic, you couldn't rationally argue Yog to "encompass" the Outer Void, nor could you argue Azzy to be beyond Yog in any sense, nor could you argue the Outer Gods to be "beneath" the likes of Yog and Azzy. In fact, it'd be vague to even have them have a profile at all, as you could just argue them to be outside of scaling completely, as scaling itself relies on specific logical principles.

      "Archetypical infinity" is vague; furthermore, even if they're beyond infinity's concept, that doesn't prevent there from being larger cardinalities. Cardinality is in reference to the size of a set. You could take the entirety of the Outer Void and put that into a set which is then encompassed by Yog.

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    • HaruhiOfTheSuzumiya wrote: i was told to post this here so

      https://fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Grand_Prophetess_Alaya_(UDM)

      1. You don't put anything next to a tier. You put it all next to AP.
      2. The only thing given in justification that makes it 1-A is the mentions of 1-As. Otherwise, it's 1-B at max.
      3. No links (even those included within the standard format) except for the tiering system one. All of them need to be added.
      4. Don't bold every stat. Stamina ratings and below are not bolded.
      5. Outerverse level, not Outerversal.

      Also, @Aeyu and @AogiriKira, STOP DERAILING THIS THREAD

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    • Fair enough. We can discuss this on one or the other's wall.

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    • Drag-O-Drawgon wrote:

      HaruhiOfTheSuzumiya wrote: i was told to post this here so

      https://fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Grand_Prophetess_Alaya_(UDM)

      1. You don't put anything next to a tier. You put it all next to AP.
      2. The only thing given in justification that makes it 1-A is the mentions of 1-As. Otherwise, it's 1-B at max.
      3. No links (even those included within the standard format) except for the tiering system one. All of them need to be added.
      4. Don't bold every stat. Stamina ratings and below are not bolded.
      5. Outerverse level, not Outerversal.

      Also, @Aeyu and @AogiriKira, STOP DERAILING THIS THREAD

      yey okay

      UwU

      OwO

      <3

      heart

      Chuu~

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    • but i like bolding and italicisizing the stats, they look much cooler that way

      also i swear ive seen other people linking YT vids and songs onto pages, as well as utilizing "Outerversal" instead of "outerverse level"

      but other than that ok

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    • also you sounded pretty rude and overbearing in your previous comment so im just gonna go to a corner and cry now T.T

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    • actually disreguard that profile. It's flawed so i'll rewrite it later

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    • DarkNeon1994 wrote: Alaya.

      Problems:

      1. You don't bold anything within powers and abilities
      2. You don't power up to tier 0
      3. Tier 0 within this profile actually breaks the tiering system by saying Omnipotence paradox doesn't apply
      4. Tier 0 justification is contradicted by multiple limitations right on the profile
      5. Many, many, many grammar errors
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    • I don't see Alaya power up to tier based on the reasoning. I don't see any limitation.

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    • Alright so I’m tryna make a fantasy like Setting in my story, however the two main characters are 1-A how would I make it to we’re the main side characters are somewhat equal to them so they can be relevant as well as the other factions the main character will face?

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    • How about you just don't make them 1-A?

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    • I finally got this blog to a state that feels done and ready for here. https://fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkmon_cns/The_true_void_(protopage

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    • That's majorly incomplete and I probably would've instantly deleted it if it was a page.

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    • Drag-O-Drawgon wrote:
      That's majorly incomplete and I probably would've instantly deleted it if it was a page.

      What about it is incomplete?

      Edit: other then the powers and abiltys.

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    • Powers and Abilities section doesn't even exist.

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    • Drag-O-Drawgon wrote:
      Powers and Abilities section doesn't even exist.

      Because it's rather unimportant right now, and it's largely scripted on tier 0 pages as well, was that your only problem?

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    • Heck. No. The amount of problems on this page make it an abomination.

      1. Aforementioned nonexistent section
      2. High Outerverse level, not High Outerversal (Except in Striking Strength)
      3. Striking Strength isn't Irrelevant
      4. High Outerversal range isn't a thing
      5. Capitalization errors makes it ugly
      6. Intelligence isn't inapplicable
      7. Justification for tier does not give tier, not even close
      8. You don't bold ANY personal statistics
      9. Alignment given isn't a thing (Seriously, there's a page on it, look there)
      10. Themes is music, not that
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    • It's not a page it's a blog post...

      The alignment was a joke I planned on removing in the final page.

      and the inapplicable intelligenc was your idea? Err if I remember right I got that from you when I first made the page.



      Ok how do you capitalize things then? Every word in a tital gets capitalized because a tital is a expansion of a name is it not?

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    • Also for the tier bit, they do, I just haven't added the link to the blog post yet that justify the TOC as a tier 0, so thank you for the list it looks like mostly easy fixes.

      Edit: I hate auto correct 

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    • I called it a page. Nobody cares if I call it a blog like it actually is.

      You called the thing complete yet you had a joke you were gonna remove? That sounds a bit wrong.

      You never brought up anything like that to me nor have I ever suggested that intelligence at any point on this site.

      Just simply look at the page and you should see the errors.

      No link was added that I can see.

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    • 1 I didn't really think the joke would be a problem, honestly I just intent to remove the aliment bit from the personality section, it is an optional section after all. I prefer using the theme to say the theme of the character rather then the theme song, the charater creation page does say you can take some libertys.

      2 I'm just saying what I remembered, the logic went something like this "is beyond the concept of knowledge" 'there for knowledge dosen't apply' it was odd, but the point of the rating  on the blog was that the concept of intlegence hadn't been created yet, that's why I only had the other key there, because it was needed.

      3 that's because I haven't added it yet. on a side note I had checked with prom before starting the blog and she said that the backstory for the character would warrant high 1-A (back before high 1-A and 0 merged) however that backstory is not in the page just alluded to in the appearance section and the summary. I intended to put it in another blog because it was long. But that's why it was tier 0.

      Edit: and I checked https://fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_for_Original_Character_Profiles All of the statistics for personality are bolded on there.

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    • Either way 8 of your problem check list are resolved, you are right as it stands the blog doesn't have the information to justify it's tier rating. And as for captlzation.. you'd have to tell me what you think proper caps are because I asked someone who had made several pages and he told me even If it was a 1 word response in a stat to capitalize it.

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    • I have corrected the majority of the things  drago pointed out to me (thank you again for that drago) I have not altered the captlzation because I have yet to find a consistent definition of acceptable for doing them on profiles...



      And I do still feel the justification should be greater then it currently is. (I have essentially made the tier 0 page first of everything in the cosmology) I want to make pages for the base of the scaling chain the cores before I post the blog as a page. I also would like to apologize for a missunderstanding, I had not ment the page was completed when posted it here I ment I felt it was finshed enough to post it here for feed back.

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    • Capitalization is that you capitalize each tier rating (a couple are missed). Bolding problems in personal stats (and no, the rules for original characters does NOT say they're bolded) still exist. Tier 0s shouldn't come from scaling chains, if that's what you're going for.

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    • Drag-O-Drawgon wrote:
      Capitalization is that you capitalize each tier rating (a couple are missed). Bolding problems in personal stats (and no, the rules for original characters does NOT say they're bolded) still exist. Tier 0s shouldn't come from scaling chains, if that's what you're going for.

      1 ok

      2 but there bolded in the example given... and in every page I could find with them they are also bolded. And it is again just an optional thing anyway so I don't see the problem.

      3 the current minimum requirement for tier zero is to surpasse a baseline 1-A as a baseline 1-A surpasse anything below it, for example the one above all at the vs wiki wasn't tier 0 until a 1-A ranking was given to one of the cosmic entitys. That is what I was to refering. (The one above all is 0 for viewing a 1-A being as fictional and nothing contradicting him being 0)

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    • Also for the personality sections to ensure were not at a confusion, I believe your telling me the 

      Hair color

      Parts shouldn't be bolded, are you referring to the answer? I had assumed you ment the statistic because you capitalized any, and all the statistics were bolded which would warrant the emphasis you put in that part.

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    • The One Above All is tier 0 for being practically Omnipotent (I know it's not true Omnipotence), NOT because "lolItranscend1-As". Seriously, I don't know why they just didn't drop that whole statement altogether and make it clear that those with almost no limitations are the ones who are tier 0, not the stupid hierarchy people.

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    • Bold

      Here's an example. The stat names themselves (Date of Birth, etc.) are bolded. The values for the stats are not.

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    • ....dude he's Tier 0 because of transcending that 1-A... the only evidence for him being omnipotent in any way is representing the author which is only Quantified in the vs wiki as him viewing all of marvel as fiction.. hence him trasedning that 1-A, if omnipotents mattered the one above all would not be tier 0. Either way this is off topic for this thread.

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    • Darkmon cns wrote: ....dude he's Tier 0 because of transcending that 1-A... the only evidence for him being omnipotent in any way is representing the author which is only Quantified in the vs wiki as him viewing all of marvel as fiction.. hence him trasedning that 1-A, if omnipotents mattered the one above all would not be tier 0. Either way this is off topic for this thread.

      Do not commit Argumentum Ad Infinitum. Do not bring up points if you know they're off topic. End of Story.

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    • I tryed to leave a message on your wall to ask you about it, but it wasn't working, can you leave a message on my wall so this thread isn't flooded anymore on the topic of my blog?

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    • Metatron (Unity is Dead)

      I’m trying to start building up my own verse, and since this is my first page, I think it needs feedback anyway.

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    • Drag-O-Drawgon wrote:

      DarkNeon1994 wrote: Alaya.

      Problems:

      1. You don't bold anything within powers and abilities
      2. You don't power up to tier 0
      3. Tier 0 within this profile actually breaks the tiering system by saying Omnipotence paradox doesn't apply
      4. Tier 0 justification is contradicted by multiple limitations right on the profile
      5. Many, many, many grammar errors

      Adding on to this, I believe recent changes to the tie ring system make it so this is even less applicable.

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    • What's the "tie ring" system? I haven't heard of it at all.

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    • Tiering system with a space from autocorrect. Seriously, smartphones suck.

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    • Unfortunately for me, I only have a tablet to do all my editing and photo manipulation

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    • Unity

      Any issues with this one?

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    • I would like to submit this as a general overview of the mechanics of higher-dimensional characters within my own verse. Does anyone see anything wrong with what I have here? Would drawing from/linking to this for characters' descriptions of why they're Tier 1-(insert value here) be adequate support for the Tier beyond the explanation itself?

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    • Even i thinked that i would not make tier 1 character anymore, here i am again. Here is Mikael Python.

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    • |Illusion

      This page claims the character is supposedly an aspect of a Tier 0 being... that obviously doesn't allow it to have a Tier 0 version of that character. Y'know, the whole "a individual character cannot be Tier 0 and potentially anything but Tier 0 simultaneously" thing. So, that key should be deleted.

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    • Wasn’t a lot of ruling on Tier 0 changed?

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    • If it was, I must have missed it...

      That said, if Her can destroy Illusion at all, to begin with, then he's also not Tier 0 due to that.

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    • Tier 0 for being infinitely above a 1-A... hahahaha. Yeah I looked, and the tiering system didn't specifically state that being infinitely above a 1-A wasn't tier High 1-A (even though logic would figure it out) when the profile was made, it was before some later non automatic revisions took place, meaning it should've been caught.

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    • So, they should be downgraded to 1-A/otherwise dealt with in some way...?

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    • I'd would say to do that if the creator was -- Oh wait the maker of it has had their account disabled. Yeah I guess you can go ahead and change it to 1-A. The 1-A it's scaling from is also just meh, since it literally just spits the basic definition of the tier at you.

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    • HellKnight6666 wrote: https://fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Demon_Gods

      Does this qualify

      I did some minor edits to the page

      1. Outerversal level --> Outerverse level
      2. Space after stats
      3. Weird spacing between sections
      4. Some meh bolding problems

      So now it's an ok page.

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    • Well, I'm a bit late in terms of the page's creation, but: Son Goku (ARCWMD)

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    • ZeroTC01 wrote: Well, I'm a bit late in terms of the page's creation, but: Son Goku (ARCWMD)

      Gonna say it right now, Galaxy level should be Multi Solar System level since there isn't enough reason for a tier jump.

      But other than that it's fine.

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    • Thanks for the feedback.

      But the reasoning for 3-C here is that he performed the 4-A feat, which is 1.5118952e+65 Joules, while charging up, and after fully charging up, he becomes a dozen times stronger than when he pulled the 4-A feat off. Unless I'm mistaken, he's pretty baseline 3-C by virtue of being 1.5118952e+66 joules at his base's full power. He also scales to casually destroying and recreating a galaxy, which I should probably add in to his own explanation rather than link to another one.

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    • ThePixelKirby wrote: Spike (Spike’s Superstar Games)

      I see nothing but a wall of 1-A smurf hax and a powers and abilities section that only drives "1-A smurf" in more with no personality or appearance section whatsoever, as well as an extremely short AP justification for 1-A. And, the standard equipment is still how it is written on the standard format page.

      I know it's based off of the Standard Format for Character Profiles page rather than the Rules for Original Character Profiles, but this seriously needs personal stats and personality to balance the "muh 1-A smurf" out. (and also fix the standard equipment)

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    • I honestly just missed the Standard Equipment somehow. I’ve already fixed that.

      The AP justification, quite honestly, is extremely clean and cut. There’s little point of rambling on about esoteric words vaguely relating to cosmology; those will go to when I write out short stories for the wiki. The AP justification is what it is, plain and simple.

      Personality shouldn’t take long considering I’ve had this guy for quite a while. I chose to merge showings of personality and desire in with Summary due to my distaste of plainly listing personality traits, although I was wrong in that.

      As for appearance, that’ll come when I can get someone to draw him, since appearances are a weak point and a hill I’ll die on for some of my characters.

      Edit: Done, and it’s larger than I expected.

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    • HellKnight6666 wrote:
      https://fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Infinite_(HellBound)

      Is this a good tier 0

      I had to do some things.
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    • Hikari ( Wonderlands ) seems... hmm.

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    • ThePerpetual wrote: Hikari ( Wonderlands ) seems... hmm.

      That page seems beyond saving.

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    • Oof... I completely forgot about that page... That was back when we accepted joke characters and things. I can remake it... If you give me Rome to make it into a blog.

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    • Better? Can we make it possible to bold spaces? It would be useful for fixing profiles.

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    • Hmm... The Goddess of Avalon (Ark//wind Saga) . It's AP is rated as 1-C for:

      "It is represents an entity that is present in an infinite number of worlds in an infinite number of timelines" 

      That at the highest possible interpretation is 2-A... Not anything Tier 1 related 

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    • The 2nd Existential Seed wrote: Hmm... The Goddess of Avalon (Ark//wind Saga) . It's AP is rated as 1-C for:

      "It is represents an entity that is present in an infinite number of worlds in an infinite number of timelines" 

      That at the highest possible interpretation is 2-A... Not anything Tier 1 related 

      belongs in bad page report thread. But that page is definitely just not sufficient for tier 1, and the creator has been inactive for over half a year, so it's probably safe to just delete.

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    • Oof... My bad.

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    • This thread's gathered dust, so let's check something-

      The Above Entity doesn't seem to have a justification for the "possibly 1-A" bit, neither on its page or on the Solarverse page (she's just above a "At least Low 2-C, possibly far higher", as far as I can tell.)

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    • Does "Death" have a profile?

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    • Heartstone (Pre-Reboot)

      Is this fine?

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    • LordTracer wrote: Heartstone (Pre-Reboot)

      Is this fine?

      At a quick glance, yes. It's fine. The one thing I would say to expand upon is the notable attacks section.

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    • Okay, I have done so.

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    • Heartstone (Post-Reboot)

      Is this one alright as well?

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    • LordTracer wrote: Also this one: The Shadow (Supreme Comics)

      At least 1-A isn't a thing due to how tier 0 works.

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    • Alice So is that just 1-A or 0 based on what you just said above

      also Artemis

      "Artemis has achieved her goal of ascending beyond godhood. She broke through the limitations and barriers that are set for every god no matter how powerful. She exists beyond all dimensions. Duality itself means nothing to her. She sees everything around her as fiction now. Artemis stands at the level of Chaos and Alice. Beings that are completely transcended and that are impossible to be understood remotely by even the most powerful gods"

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    • VelvetAngelzz
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    • I removed the “At least.”

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    • The Tier 1 justifications for this page seem somewhat questionable.

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    • what about Ruby Rose (Cyverse)

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    • Has been approved from last year and some months ago, I just updated her personality and other details. What I personally wanted to post and hve approved of is Arancia Rose, more specifically her Scarlet King key.

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    • Was it approved? I've been here for quite some time, and that Ruby wasn't Tier 1 until rather recently. If it was, I must've missed it-

      At any rate, it couldn't hurt to go over it all again, for posterity. "How do dimensional cosmology and The Darkness function in the Cyverse?", "What is the context behind her fight against Blair as Ascended Warrior Blue Perfect?", etc.

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    • I was planning on making the pages for Blair and co, but then I forgot you can make blog posts and cosmology and stuff. I'll be making that blog post that is long overdue now and then link it here. Only thing I can say right off the bat that most of the cosmology works very similary to what is seen in the Cthulhu Mythos, mostly due to the Cyverse being a combination of several things I like put into one. (Cthulhu Mythos, RWBY, Dragon Ball Metaseries, SCP Fandom being the four ones.)

      Is there a time limit to making the blog posts for the Cosmology and etc?

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    • And put the Cosmology on the Cyverse page. Which means that Arancia and Ruby both got updated a bit; the next few pages I'm making is the core concepts and the mechanics and bla bla bla. But yes, both Rubes and Arancia are now up for review now.

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    • I suppose I better use this thread for once

      The Child Beyond Reality

      Odiosis

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    • >1-A

      Ed, I never would of thought.

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    • I thought of the idea while being bored in class don't judge me.

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    • So um, how about these guys: Radia, Malfegor, Omega (Shardsverse), Alpha (Shardsverse), Kinese, Chronos, Sychos. Is it okay for them to be in Tier 1?

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    • Edwardtruong2006 wrote: I suppose I better use this thread for once

      The Child Beyond Reality

      Odiosis

      First one seems like a nice profile in the personality section, appearance shows some effort, but the profile really suffers from the lack of any kind of explanation of powers. The AP justification is fine, but nothing within powers and abilities (except creation) has any sort of explanation beyond types. Adding these and a notable attacks section would really improve the profile. As it stands, this is an OK profile and definitely isn't delete worthy.

      The second profile does cover for what the first one has, except that this one still lacks a notable attacks section, however it gets its own problem from lacking appearance/personality sections. It's also an OK profile.

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    • CrimsonSOng wrote: So um, how about these guys: Radia, Malfegor, Omega (Shardsverse), Alpha (Shardsverse), Kinese, Chronos, Sychos. Is it okay for them to be in Tier 1?

      Most of these profiles have the same problems, so all of this applies to all of these profiles unless otherwise stated.

      1. Lack appearance/personality sections (except Radia)
      2. Lack notable attacks
      3. Redundant powerlisting powers.
      4. Kinese, Chronos, and Sychos don't really explain their powers (except on the abstract existence)
        • Even if it is obvious that soul immunity is through lacking a soul, you must justify it on every profile.
      5. Minor formatting errors such as bolding and spacing.
      6. Not necessarily a rule, but you should try to avoid using "at least" when you're in tier 1. This is due to the fact that it is very clear when you cross into another tier due to either the borders being very clear and fine, or in the case of High 1-B --> 1-A, it's from dimensions to the transcending stuff 1-A is.

      These should be worked on, however, the AP justifications are good and the profiles are of good enough quality to not be deleted.

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    • 3 is nitpicky as well as 2. The idea of 1-A characters having notable attacks is silly 

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    • Drag-O-Drawgon wrote:

      CrimsonSOng wrote: So um, how about these guys: Radia, Malfegor, Omega (Shardsverse), Alpha (Shardsverse), Kinese, Chronos, Sychos. Is it okay for them to be in Tier 1?

      Most of these profiles have the same problems, so all of this applies to all of these profiles unless otherwise stated.
      1. Lack appearance/personality sections (except Radia)
      2. Lack notable attacks
      3. Redundant powerlisting powers.
      4. Kinese, Chronos, and Sychos don't really explain their powers (except on the abstract existence)
        • Even if it is obvious that soul immunity is through lacking a soul, you must justify it on every profile.
      5. Minor formatting errors such as bolding and spacing.
      6. Not necessarily a rule, but you should try to avoid using "at least" when you're in tier 1. This is due to the fact that it is very clear when you cross into another tier due to either the borders being very clear and fine, or in the case of High 1-B --> 1-A, it's from dimensions to the transcending stuff 1-A is.

      These should be worked on, however, the AP justifications are good and the profiles are of good enough quality to not be deleted.


      Lacking notable attacks is a problem?? They are 1-A. Notable attacks aren't going to make a difference. In fact it'd be pretty odd for a 1-A to have a "Special move". Thats my two cents. 

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    • 1-A doesn't make that true. The only time I can think of that logic working is with tier 0 characters. Treating a regular 1-A like this is a very easy way to make a Mary Sue. I did say they're not to the point of deletion, so if you really want to not do that, fine.

      Redundant powerlisting powers are basically just banned from here due to redundancy. If there's something I'm gonna require, it's the removal of them. ok, I'm requiring this before I can give them the OK.

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    • where do i find the banned rules?

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    • Ask Promestein

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    • VelvetAngelzz wrote: 3 is nitpicky as well as 2. The idea of 1-A characters having notable attacks is silly 

      Most characters have notable abilities. Flagg has Passive 1-A EE. That’s pretty notable.

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    • No they don’t actually. Lots of people ignore that part. In any case a 1-A character having that is silly in actuality. They are supposed to be beyond the concepts, dimensions, duality itself. Matt said it himself and I don’t get along with the guy “the idea of 1-A characters punching each other is rather silly”

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    • Masadaverse doesn't care. I'm not sure if Umineko does.

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    • VelvetAngelzz wrote:
      No they don’t actually. Lots of people ignore that part. In any case a 1-A character having that is silly in actuality. They are supposed to be beyond the concepts, dimensions, duality itself. Matt said it himself and I don’t get along with the guy “the idea of 1-A characters punching each other is rather silly”

      The idea of most higher-dimensional characters punching eachother is rather silly.

      The point is, abilities still need to explain things. Granted, at 1-A, these explanations become rather simple; "oh this EE is beyond blahblah and some concepts and whatever else 1-A justification", but they're still good to have.

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    • I meant notable attacks and special moves not explaining the powers in powers and abilities. What kira said

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    • VelvetAngelzz wrote: I meant notable attacks and special moves not explaining the powers in powers and abilities. What kira said

      Usually, Notable Attacks is also used to explain any significant abilities they have.

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    • CrimsonSOng wrote: The Creator

      Seems like a standard tier 0. It's fine to stay.

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    • So I just came here to let people know that our tiering system for Tier 1 will be changing soon.

      However, where did 1-A's not having Notable Attacks and Techniques come from? It should be completely optional. You shouldn't have to have them, but you also have the right to legitimately have them (See Masadaverse). It's an artistic choice.

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    • Does it seem that the High 1-A part will come back now or ?

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    • How many Tier 0's is one verse allowed to have? I'm thinking of making a second verse though right now it's mostly just an idea. I'm just checking just in case I go through with it because it confused me when it said on the rules it said that someone is allowed 5 tier 0's but on promestein's blog it says 3 tier 0.

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    • Prom's blog is outdated due to tiering system revisions. I would accept 5 due the rules being more updated. (but do make sure that it makes sense, cause 5 equal beings is hitting a pretty big limitation already by tier 0 standards)

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    • Thanks but I'm only making two tier 0's for this verse and they're relatively equal to each other. It's a Supreme Being and Anti-God pair.

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    • AYIN and YESH Ummm, please look at these two.

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    • Everything12 wrote: Samael (Crossings)

      1. Having a notable attacks section would help
      2. The tier in the first key seems arbitrary, especially since it has no justification. Putting a justification for street level would be nice.
      3. Intelligence should be justified. Explanations on intelligence are far more important than the justifications (hence, why the intelligence page says that the rankings are suggested). I'd be fine with Omniscient and Mindless levels being without it since those are self explanatory.
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    • Posting my Tier 0 for review and advice.

      Trinitus

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    • Definitely not a good tier 0. I say this because I can immediately see that it's just a fusion of 1-As. That's just 1-A. You're not tier 0, and you're not any kind of omnipotent either. Also, tearing through barrier of fiction and real life is the definition of Breaking the Fourth Wall. No AP is granted from that feat. Ultimate erasure for something tier 0 like is redundant; just list existence erasure and people will know what level it's on.

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    • @Drag-O-Drawgon

      1. Yes, Trinitus is a fusion, but this is because Izreldan, Aleshi, and END are all incomplete fractions of a greater whole. 

      Izreldan is the Master of Aether, the representation of Creation and the Positive Half of Existence. Aleshi is the Master of Nether, the representation of Destruction and the Negative Half of Existence. END represents neither Creation nor Destruction, but Nonexistence, the dark side of Dualism.

      Trinitus has the full Dualistic Power of Existence and Nonexistence at the same time.

      The Entity is transcendent over its fictional verse as a whole, as it is not restricted to Existence or Nonexistence, but it exists beyond the concept of Dualism.

      2. Trinitus did not reach the real world through toon force or as a joke, it explicitly punched and tore into the real world through sheer power, which was considered impossible even by the Near-Boundless current Izreldan.

      3. I listed Ultimate Erasure because it is not simply Existence Erasure, it's more like a Dualistic Erasure. The ability erases the target from both existence and nonexistence.

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    • Tier 0s can’t be ‘created’. They always are, always were, and always will be.

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    • I say they can cause omnipotence is no longer a thing. So it would be a matter of transcending 1-A's as they would any other being. To the point where they cannot be the same tier. The creator in Umineko is tier 0, however featherine is too. The thing is the creator is infinitely above featherine

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    • Being literally infinitely above 1-A does not make you Tier 0.

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    • ^^^ I mean, really I would have made Trinitus High 1-A but the tier is gone now sooo XD

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    • Izreldan wrote: ^^^ I mean, really I would have made Trinitus High 1-A but the tier is gone now sooo XD

      They are probably just much higher into 1-A.

      It doesn’t matter if you take twelve thousand Penns and Spikes and mix them up. There is ‘creating’ a Tier 0- a Tier 0 was and is and will always be Tier 0.

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    • Moritzva wrote:

      Izreldan wrote: ^^^ I mean, really I would have made Trinitus High 1-A but the tier is gone now sooo XD

      They are probably just much higher into 1-A.

      It doesn’t matter if you take twelve thousand Penns and Spikes and mix them up. There is ‘creating’ a Tier 0- a Tier 0 was and is and will always be Tier 0.

      Well, The Author was depicted as still being above Trinitus in the real world.

      So maybe I'll just put Trinitus as "At least 1-A" since The Author is Tier 0.

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    • I mean, Infinity in general in fiction isn't really infinite. It's like people take the word and try to use it and contradict themselves. Which is why i'm never a fan of 1-A characters. Or above. Techincally being a higher degree of 1-A doesn't really make sense as you can't get 0 on infinity. Just goes up and up and up. But how does one get 1-A? Not by infinity, by transcending dimensions all together, But... There is no dimensional limitations at 1-A. So that's why i said transcending a 1-A as they would a lower dimensional being. Personally, i agree with omnipotence, but because of the new system featherine is possibly comparable to TOAA despite having something that transcends her if she was an ant 
      LUL
      . And if you have a supreme being, that only has a 2-A feat, that's how strong they are cause they didn't have dimensional tiering in the verse
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    • @Isreldan

      No "at least 1-A" for this. Just 1-A

      Still Breaking the Fourth Wall. Also don't try to powerfest on things like boundlessness. It'll just lead to inaccuracies.

      Ultimate erasure is much more than that. This one has to be just Existence Erasure. It'll be obvious as to what level it is.

      @VelvetAngelzz

      Omnipotence is downright banned from profiles. The tiering system basically says this and so does the Omnipotence page on both here and mainsite.

      You're using infinite as boundless, which are two different things. Boundlessness is tier 0 like shenanigans (or at least the old tier 0), and infinity has multiple uses here. If you can't understand the difference between the two, you don't understand dimensional tiering and you should probably stay away from tiers 2, 1, and 0.

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    • Hey did you look at YESH and AYIN by any chance?

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    • @Drag

      boundless

      having no bounds; infinite or vast; unlimited. 

      Literally using words that are synonyms of each other. 

      un·lim·it·ed

      /ˌənˈlimidəd/

      adjective

      • 1.not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent

      boundlessness

      (bound′lĭs)

      adj.

      Being without boundaries or limits; unlimited

      unboundedness

      (bound′lĭs)

      adj.

      Being without boundaries or limits; unlimited

      Synonyms for unboundedness

      unlimited

      /ˌənˈlimidəd/

      adjective

      • 1.not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent:

      Infinite

      1. immeasurably great:an infinite capacity for forgiveness.

      2. indefinitely or exceedingly great:infinite sums of money.

      3. unlimited or unmeasurable in extent of space, duration of time, etc.:the infinite nature of outer space.

      4. unbounded or unlimited; boundless; endless:God's infinite mercy.

      mainly 4.

      So, using words that are used to explain each other over and over and are reoccuring synonyms, and i'm the one that has no idea what i'm talking about. Had to do some research cause idk what boundless means apparently. Searched boundless, infinite, unlimited, unbounded, unboundedness, infinity, boundlessness. These words are used to explain each other over and over. So no, i'm not mistaken at all. Literally just picking which words have more value over the other because the name sounds more impressive. 

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    • I don't care what sites say that they're synonyms. We once used boundless for tier 0 (revisions changed this a bit), and used infinite for a variety of things, and those random synonyms change nothing. Dimensional tiering is still the same thing, you still seem to have no clue what you're doing. Stay away from it. Please.

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    • I'm not speaking from what is "right" on the sites, but what is right in actuality. Meaning i'm not trying to change anything, just pointing it out. I said infinite in fiction isn't really infinite, regardless i go with it anyway. On the site. So yes i know what i'm talking about sir

      Also boundless does not work with this new system. Because of beings like featherine. Her def is transcending the infinite hier of witches, who are dimensionless at their core. Which is why i said "transcending a 1-A as if they were a lower dimensional being". That being said, tier 0 aint what it used to be. So the strict requirements dont exist. As featherine is limited by a creator, but is on the "Boundless" tier. So stuff like "Always was, always will be 0" is not true. So how i see it 0 is 

      Transcending 1-A beings completely

      Being completely transcendent of all dimensions, concepts, nonexistence, duality, existence etc. 

      Fighting on par with a tier 0 

      harming a tier 0 

      Either of those definitions should be good enough just with this new system.

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    • CrimsonSOng wrote: Hey did you look at YESH and AYIN by any chance?

      Yesh if fine. Most of Ayin's AP justification needs to be removed. (all parts of it that talks about upscaling and destruction, as neither of those grant tier 0)

      But if you have 5 characters like that, you might as well make them all 1-A considering they do have limitations other than each other. If a few of them scale above the rest, then make only the top ones tier 0 and the rest 1-A.

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    • I was gunna mention this on discord crimson, but Lucifer's 1-A justification is 

      "Assisted God with Creation. Fought against The Darkness before Creation began. Fought The Darkness again a second time. Stated by Gabriel that she has the power to take over as God if dad ever retired."

      However God and the darkness are tier 0 on your page. So this only works if like, they did absolutely nothing to the darkness. However it is used as justification of 1-A despite the darkness being zero, meaning she did had some impact. So, either 0 or 1-A for Lucifer. 1-A or 0 for the darkness or god. But i'm leaning towards 1-A

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    • @Drag-O-Draygon

      Okay, I downgraded Trinitus as requested.

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    • @VelvetAngelzz

      What if she and the others were just used to break the tie between God and Darkness? Because that's what I was kind of going for

      and by others I mean all the other primordials, Asherah, Life, Death, etc.

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    • You good then, but if a 1-A harmed a zero they should be zero. As a zero transcends a 1-A as a 1-A transcends a high 1-B. Not talking infinity. 

      I re read Asherah again and got 

      "She is completely transcendent of the infinite-dimensional Cosmic Gods, who exist at the realm of A"K which is the highest subgradient before one loses their existence at the Ein Sof in which even she encompasses into her own being. Comparable in power to Life and Death, who like her transcend all of Creation, existing as an Absolute and is slightly stronger than her Archangel Children. Limited by God and The Darkness"

      1-A. Very solid justification. And her AA children are only slightly weaker than. 1-A for them too.

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    • Technically, that justification can be interpreted as only High 1-B, so it's not really good. It at least makes note of cosmological things, so it's not bad either. Would I be fine with it being 1-A? yes.

      Although if the characters weren't requested on this thread, I'd recommend you take this to message walls.

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    • "She is completely transcendent of the infinite-dimensional Cosmic Gods."

      "Comparable in power to Life and Death, who like her transcend all of Creation"

      Literally 1-A.

      I requested Lucifer and it all relates to God and the darkness. God and the darkness'  justifications were seemingly affected by a 1-A. But Crimson cleared that up. And Asherah who has better justy, scales to Lucifer, so the 1-A spot is good

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    • The Strange Presence

      Thoughts! Technically not Tier 1 but has a tier 1 ability

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    • Transcending High 1-B = High 1-B.

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    • Yobo Blue wrote: The Strange Presence

      Thoughts! Technically not Tier 1 but has a tier 1 ability

      Way too vague and just unknown all the way through other than that 1-B thing. You'll have to expand the whole profile.

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    • Transcending High 1-B and all of creation is not High 1-B. In the vsb tier revisions, they even said a zero transcends a 1-A as a 1-A transcends a high 1-B. All of creation in this sense would be, dimensions. If a being said they transcend a 6-D being. That would imply them being 7-D or higher.  Transcending high 1-B which is the last tier before 1-A, which transcend means exist above, would not be High 1-B. 

      "Note that all tier 1-A characters have qualitative superiority over dimensional structures and concepts. Also, mere capability to exist in a beyond dimensional domain does not qualify a character as a beyond dimensional being.

      There are two options in order to qualify for this tier: There should either be a qualitative superiority over infinite dimensions; or the superiority over the concept of dimensions (in general) should be clearly explained."

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    • Drag-O-Drawgon wrote:

      Yobo Blue wrote: The Strange Presence

      Thoughts! Technically not Tier 1 but has a tier 1 ability

      Way too vague and just unknown all the way through other than that 1-B thing. You'll have to expand the whole profile.

      I guess. Issue is that while there is more, it hasn’t been revealed in the actual original stuff yet, so I’d rather not put it on there until we see it in the RP

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    • Take note that even if a character is a more than countably infinite number of times superior to an infinite-dimensional space, or similar, it would still usually only qualify for High 1-B, as long as the character does not transcend the concepts of time and space altogether
      ~ the Tiering System

      High 1-B does not cover one dimension, either. It will keep upscaling to High 1-B unless you explicitly transcend dimensional limitations entirely. The Hyperverse page also mentions this.

      Also transcendence doesn't automatically make you one dimension above.

      All of reality can mean quite a lot of things depending on the verse in question. If reality includes 1-A stuff, then yes, 1-A is legit. If it only goes up to High 1-B, you do not automatically gain 1-A by transcending it.

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    • I never got an answer for the Cyverse, if it got approved, so @Drag, think you can give me your opinion on it? If yes, I'll post the links on your wall once I've gotten confirmation.

      Furthermore, I feel like we should really slow down this thread for now. Over at VS the Tiering Revision discussion is happening more and more now, which will likely influence this wikia as well, no?

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    • I saw that. Someone proposed downgrading the tier 0's to 1-A unless someone extremely knowledgeable in the verse argued otherwise.

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    • Yea it will affect most of the profiles. But you right. But at the same time, you'd kinda just change the tier based on what the definition of the new tiers are. Just a shift. You're gunna have to change the tiers (Most likely) either way if you stopped requesting here or not.

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    • Well since this thread's OP says "Any Tier 1", I guess this counts?

      The Dividers is my latest Tier 1 page here for review, although it isn't a character.

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    • Akreious wrote: Well since this thread's OP says "Any Tier 1", I guess this counts?

      The Dividers is my latest Tier 1 page here for review, although it isn't a character.

      Other than a shortish summary, it's actually pretty good overall. Considering it's a civilization profile, it's not what I'm used to.

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    • So High 1-A is a thing again

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    • Reposting this, cause idk if her last key would still just be 1-A, or High 1-A.

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    • Would it still count for Tier 0 or no?

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    • Yep, cause transcends High 1-A as they transcend 1-A.  which i think the big three qualify for. The reason why cause before i always saw em as High 1-A, but it was merged with zero. So they would probably need to go to the spot i thought they were before. Unless you change the definition. Pretty easy to get 1-A, high 1-A and zero. That being said, i think your big three are equal to my big three, chaos, alice, and void. Tho not the author selves as they create 0 and high 1-A

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    • LordTracer wrote:
      Reposting this, cause idk if her last key would still just be 1-A, or High 1-A.

      You have so many transcend infinitely and views this person as fiction on top of each other i lost track of what i was reading. Maybe high 1-A, Probably 0. Would be better if those people had profiles. 

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    • @VelvetAngelzz I'd say you shouldn't judge tiers right now.

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    • lol

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    • The new rules. How do we review our Tiers 1-A to 0 according to the new rules?

      Just want to know so I can make any changes if needed.

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    • Huzur (1-A), Merak (1-A), False God (High 1-B/1-A), Kapkara (Low 1-C) Beikan (5-A with Low 1-A hax/3-A with Low 1-C hax/1-A) Magnashire Atadan (5-A with 1-A hax)

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    • Chaos (1-A), Asherah (1-A), Pandora (1-A), Martwy (1-A) and Appolyon (1-B)

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    • Not sure if this really matters but Rage Eternal, Death Eternal and Despair Eternal got bumped up to Low 1-C due to the tiering revisions.

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    • @ExSENNA I'm pretty sure that Huzur should be Outerverse level+ (this isn't me accepting or rejecting your profile, it's just me pointing something minor out)

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    • He is countless+*infinity baseline, is this 1-A+?

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    • @Exer Needs AP justifications.

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    • For which value?

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    • All of them.

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    • Better?

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    • The Low 2-C feat is actually only High 3-A, and the latter two need far more justification and elaboration.

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    • They have 4-dimensional Durability, such as not being effected by stopped time and resisting being erased from time.

      The AP is a High 3-A feat, but the other factors seem like Low 2-C to me

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    • Both of those are haxes and resistances to hax.

      Such as, resisting time stop/existence erasure.

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    • So, would they be Low 2-C via hax then?

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    • 4-D resistances via surviving being erased from time, sure. But that's not tiering, that's resistances.

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    • How about being able to split timelines?

      Like trimming a video down, where time halts completely as there is no longer a timeline for things to continue?

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    • Depends on cosmology.

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    • The cosmology is quite simple

      Basically everything is a story created by a story in "layers", and characters in a higher layer are completely transcendent and unreachable to those of a lower layer in any form as they would "fiction" to them

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    • To put it simply:

      "Gods" > Real World > Anime, Books, Games > Stories inside of those fictional worlds

      This is partially due to the theory that our world is a simulation made by higher beings, like a game of Sims, but what if these "gods" are not but mere characters made by beings above them?

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    • Also I believe we should speak elsewhere, I don't want to flood this room

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    • A FANDOM user
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