The title is self explanatory. If you see a page that leaves a lot to be desired, well report it. If you see a file that you think is missing a little something, report it. If you just don't like the page because the character is unoriginal to you or makes you jealous, report it....jk Don't report that. That's petty. But you all get the gist.
It may be best for all members to follow this thread.
"The Omnipotent one" before I saw it and was imideatly "nope!"ing the shit out of it and removed things like "Created Azathoth, TOAA, Kami Tenchi etc" shit from it, somehow that thing is drunk and gets high, implying chemicals work on it meaning it is not tier 0 as it has a weakness to chemical attacks so he's made to around Low 2-C at best since he can be affected by chemicals.
^ You do realize that omnipotent beings can choose what effects them and what cannot effect them, right ? If you are that worried, complain about Kami Tenchi , Azathoth , and Law of Identity , whom have weaknesses and still be Tier 0 due to their position and powers.
I hate to be "that" girl but Elizabeth Angela Valentine is still a really bad page. Ten rows of tiers alone is enough to call it "very bad" add on top of it the 1-A and High 1-A tiers due to unrealistic amounts of hax that borderline Penultimate Pataverse and what I'd call this page isn't something nice. I mean no disrespect but bad is bad.
if you ask people to ask the one who reported the page shouldnt you give a link to this thread or something? otherwise wouldnt just ask you who reported it?
I'd say allow him to fix his page first. I'm not sure if he posted it to be reviewed though. Considering he's young and obviously going through the exact same phase Ven went through at the same age, I can't help but feel bad that we're deleting all his stuff. Of course, refusal do so will always result in deletion. No argument there.
Unfortunately I'm going to have to report a lot of profiles from this user. I politely asked that profiles match the standard format and even helped fix on of her/his profiles on one occasion.
Just letting everyone know, though kind of unnecessary, but i have went on to delete Disagreements pages as he seems to not be able to understand nor be able to take his time on properly formating them.
Not to mention that he was also a sock of a banned user from VSB who seems to possess similar grammar to said user. Which i guess is reflected on his words on when both commenting to someone/soemthing AND when he makes his work here. Along with the additional fact that supposedly he was reported here for having made a ripoff of one of our own users pages here, which isn't exactly creative to do (though works can be inspired i guess. Just not be a complete or outright copy of another) nor is that something i or anyone else here would appreciate someone doing that...
Again, just letting everyone know what's up with another batch of "poor pages" here.
The stats don't give much else and one i'm really questioning is why it has things like "Types 5 and 10 Immortality" and "True-Godly Regen" when that's a Tier 1-A and above thing...
I have seen this character. Without re-looking at the profile in question, It has the power of the " Ring of Destruction", which is directly comparable to it's other "Siblings" , which are characters from teh Chulthu Mythos ( Yog Sothoth in particular ) . Ruby Rose absorbed that power, and as such should eb comparable to the Ring's Full Power.
I'm aware of the stats being an issue as Promestein noted here earlier, but it's the powers of the forms that bothering me just as much as that if not more. Things like True Godly Regen shouldn't even be there unless the character is a 1-A in that state with it. Same with having Types 5 and 10 in the SAME key state as well, those being reserved for 1-A's and above.
Either the user changes it to something else or it's gonna literally get deleted off this wikia unless it is changed beforehand to something i would be fine with. But even then, it needs better justifications for it's stats cause the feats section itself is not helping towards it but rather it's powers so...
At best give the user a couple of days or a said deadline before deletion. Wouldn't want anyone pissy about their page being deleted and make an even bigger issue of this situation.
@Aku: I'm fine with that, honestly, as that's what i was thinking. I could maybe go half a week (or a few days) at the least, give or take, for the user to make some changes, however.
I'm okay with the page being deleted. Need to redo the stats with better justifications anyways. I already saw some errors myself, but it's better if I redo it from scratch. As for Destruction, I forgot to change a the key Merged with Ruby Rose to Hibernating for a good while now, this was a good reminder.
@crossversecrisis Actually don't delete the page just yet. I've got some good ideas in mind on how to change it, even getting rid of the 1-a key. Think I could message you to help me with it?
Well i only reported your Ruby page here due to how horrendous it is to have such powers that i noted a couple times here as you can see above.
The only thing i am going to say here is you need to give better reasonings for her stats and not give powers like "Types 5 and 10" or "True Godly Regen" when those are Tier 1-A and above powers...at least AFAIK of them normally but it still stands.
As for stats, you have to explain on why she has stuff like 4-A tiering to that of the Tier 1-A stuff that usually requires people to ACTUALLY put stuff like being above and beyond all known forms of time and space dimensions and such.
The Tiering System page should have given you a complete idea of how to work with them, in fact. Same with all others.
The user asked if it was ok, the page itself is relatively alright it simply needs to have that its infinitely above characters who surpass all manner of dimensions and their concepts and its set for the most part.
I mean, the character has as its purpose being made to be an ultimate OC, without a verse to go along with/hail from, and is literally named with "Versus Man". Some of its status are kinda jokey too (like the one with the Emprah) I'm getting mixed vibes now that Colonel said it.
Yeah, he needs to be copy and pasted elsewhere. Although, if he was truly "Versus Man", he should be High 1-A...smh...
Either way, I'll give it some time to be copied and pasted.
FateAlbane wrote:
I mean, the character has as its purpose being made to be an ultimate OC, without a verse to go along with/hail from, and is literally named with "Versus Man". Some of its status are kinda jokey too (like the one with the Emprah) I'm getting mixed vibes now that Colonel said it.
Exactly why I thought it feels iffy. Some of the descriptions aren't even trying to be taken seriously, for example, if you take a look at its weaknesses it says:
"Will instantly die if anyone thinks of pineapple pizza in their vicinity, erasing themselves from All forms of existence, to the point that nothing short of Omnipotence can bring them back. | They will lose all their powers and will start coughing to death if there's tabbaco in their vicinity, unless they leave its proximity."
Here's the difference between Donald and a Joke character:
His stats are 100% serious, although they are posted in a jokish manner. He is meant for serious combat, to fight people with serious powers. After all, it's similar to a toonforce user or a 4th wall breaker. While they are jokish in manner, they still have serious fights, and fight in battles of Hax rather than memes.
I know it's walking a fine line. But still, please don't.
Try removing the most ridiculous stuff, like him and the Emperor having Mac and Cheese. That isn't even needed, it could just say "Matched The God Emperor of Mankind in a battle", maybe that could make him look less like a Joke character.
Toonforce/4th wall breakers usually still follow some verse logics of their own and or have some purpose within their respective settings other than simply "having matches" and "being an ultimate OC".
Colonel's point also stands nonetheless, and your argument backs it up: The status and reasonings for it are jokish.
I'm not convinced myself, even moreso when the origin of the character is a thread very much like the one where we got our Lady and Goddess Breinhard and she was moved to JBW as well nonetheless.
Paulo.junior.969 wrote: Try removing the most ridiculous stuff, like him and the Emperor having Mac and Cheese. That isn't even needed, it could just say "Matched The God Emperor of Mankind in a battle", maybe that could make him look less like a Joke character.
In fact, the very reason that the main purpose you have for the character is for him to be having matches, overpowered haxes, jokish stats and being some sort of ultimate OC tips even more the balance for JBW as far as I'm aware of the system...
I mean, the best part about it being on JBW is that then you're free to do the page exactly as you wish to do so (original description, caps, all the jokes, fun, games and everything). I don't see what's bad about it.
I would say main purpose is a very broad term. It's main purpose in the way your describing it would be simply the satisfaction of user input. We dislike the idea of movement simply because it demeans it in a sense. Most of what makes it Jokish is easily removed with the core still there. It's not quite like making someone above omnipotent.
Next thing you know we will have made 20 different OCs, which will all go to JBW, and "VSBW Ultimate OC Thread" will end up becoming an actual verse page in there.
I don't think it demeans anything. Breinhard was moved to JBW and is one of the most well known and loved memes on the wikia to this day as far as I'm aware.
My main point is that even the general idea for the character would be better explored and have more freedom on what he seems to be made to be at JBW: Fun and games.
I'm pretty sure people in that thread didn't make Donald having in mind a serious OC, just from the looks of its stats, story and profile as a whole.
I think the problem we have is that memetic status isn't inherently good. Yes, we intended to make it funny, but no, it isn't a joke. The idea that it's too ovepowered here doesnt fit either when there are characters in Vs Battles Wiki it can't beat.
Quick, someone write a 20,000 words long fanfic for Donald and post it somewhere so he would become an actual OC.
Alright, seriously tho, JBW allows serious characters that just aren't allowed anywhere else, that's even written in their main page, if you want him to be in serious Vs threads, maybe we could try make it on JBW and asking everyone to take it seriously. It might work.
Eeyup. But hey, at least they were trying to make their pages decent (Even if they fail.) unlike that T0(Can't remember the numbers) guy? Remember them? The guy who was trying to make the most powerful verse in all of fiction.
These profiles don't even have proper reasons (or any reasons at all) as to why they're the tiers they are, also some of these pages seem NLF-ish, not even formatted correctly and the Kodai page says his speed is "FTL+++" in one key, which isn't even an existing speed and has an overexcessive amount of +'s, which is actually just really funny to me tbh.
Also, one of the pages literally copied the powers and abilities section from this page.
Btw, the animations this character appeared in happen to be from my country. Even if we disregarded the whole Joke Character aspect of this guy, there's really nothing anywhere close to slap a tier 0 to him.
He's kind of treated like God-man in their parodies.
Had a Look at Satanael, no he should be High 1-B, because he is infinitely above Infinite Dimensions, 1-A is transending the concept of Dimesions, I.E 1-A slaps Infinitely above Infinite Dimesions so hard, i'm sure it'd passively count as Existence Erasure. But on a serious note, it would be High 1-B and on the very very high end of that.
The First High 1-A doesn't make sense, since you'd need to transend 1-A like 1-A transends 11-C. This is a countably infinite amount stronger than a normal 1-A which is still 1-A.
To enter The Gate, you need to transcend dimensionless void, Infinite dimensions and The Record which works even in Dimensionless void/space and Infinite dimensions at the same time (aka Bernkastel of KamiVerse). It should be on inportant things in verse page.
High Outerversal Level(Can just punch to destroy multiple Outerverses, the shear force of his punch is so strong that almost every 1D-7D being will be erased.Durability: Near True Infinity(Constantly Regenerates his Durability to full every shortest amount of time that can never be warped.
The outerverse isn't something like that. The Outerverse is all that is left outside all of Reality. There isn't more Outerverse, there's just the Outerverse, because it is the outer most layer of reality. Basically, it's like saying you're going to destroy an orange and you destroy each individual part, the skin of the orange is the last part of the orange, once the skin is destroyed, the Orange is no longer there, you cannot destroy more orenge then there was orange there.
I mean omnipotent is omnipotent....they can do whatever theu want even if it doesn't make sense....we should stop this isn't the place for it.
Also that's ...not really the deff it's just transcending the concept of dimension complete sure what you said go's with that but it's not there in the tiering system page.and it seems to reffer more to a state of being then a place so a place could have that state of being.
High Outerversal Level(Can just punch to destroy multiple Outerverses, the shear force of his punch is so strong that almost every 1D-7D being will be erased.
Durability: Near True Infinity(Constantly Regenerates his Durability to full every shortest amount of time that can never be warped.
...I don't even...
.......I WAS FUCKING JOKING!!!!! Someone actually put "destroy the outerverse"?.......sigh......
These profiles don't even have proper reasons (or any reasons at all) as to why they're the tiers they are, also some of these pages seem NLF-ish, not even formatted correctly and the Kodai page says his speed is "FTL+++" in one key, which isn't even an existing speed and has an overexcessive amount of +'s, which is actually just really funny to me tbh.
Also, one of the pages literally copied the powers and abilities section from this page.
@All: Just checked the history of the page. Apparently, the user made that almost a year ago and has since been inactive off of the Wikia.
Perhaps it's best to go and delete it then, no? Cause I doubt we're going to hear anything from that user even if we contacted them a second or third time.
Okay so unless we were really talking about that Hereis whatever page, I went ahead and deleted it off of here. The user who made it has been inactive on this place for, again, almost a year ago. Although they were active on another wikia or two, their last activity was at least a month old from one of them.
Considering they just up and left here and then come back to go to another, on top of the page being really poor as Prom pointed out there, I would rather not waste my or anyones time to actually message him on his wall about it. So that's done and about with that page there.
Mephiles the Dark (Mobius-6613). Just looking at his powers and abilities section makes me want to vomit. Oh, and some of them are on here, but link to superpower wiki instead.
The First High 1-A doesn't make sense, since you'd need to transend 1-A like 1-A transends 11-C. This is a countably infinite amount stronger than a normal 1-A which is still 1-A.
I disagree. It transcend infinite hierachies on any levels of comprehension and nothing implies it's just stronger then a 1-A
Actually, even Vswiki agrees with me: " Characters that are extremely powerful compared to other characters within this category, and whose power by far exceeds the regular requirements for tier 1-A. Take note that being infinitely superior to a regular 1-A character, does not automatically make another character qualify for a High 1-A rating. The ones that do qualify would recurrently be equivalent to Tier 0 characters, if not for the presence of one such being within their respective franchises, and/or some minor limitation. As such, characters with serious weaknesses cannot be High 1-A. To further clarify, a High 1-A should be so much higher than baseline 1-A characters that it can not be estimated or comprehended from their perspectives. That is, to even be considered for High 1-A, a character must at the very least transcend baseline 1-A characters in the same manner that they exceed tier 11."
Take note here: "To further clarify, a High 1-A should be so much higher than baseline 1-A characters that it can not be estimated or comprehended from their perspectives. That is, to even be considered for High 1-A, a character must at the very least transcend baseline 1-A characters in the same manner that they exceed tier 11."
Speaking of High 1-A, if you have a character who is only limited by 5 or 6 equal beings and a superior being, while this superior being is limited by a Tier 0, does said character get a normal 1-A rating?
Character in question = 5 other beings < a superior being < a Tier 0
This has come into question on VS wikia. I/O has two High 1-A, Mutsuki and Kawahara Sakuya. I think the way you put it is most logical. It'd work like a Monarchy, with the Oldest (Strongest) Taking the Throne (Tier 0) if there was a vacency.
@udi nothing implies to be infinity stronger then an outerversal
it stated it transcend an infinite hierachy of outerversal entities which is literally much more then transcending a baseline
transcending nfinity beyond infinite hierachy of 1-As" and in the story it was stated all things mentioned b4 is just a dot to him since he completely exist outside all
Drag-O-Drawgon wrote:
Mephiles the Dark (Mobius-6613). Just looking at his powers and abilities section makes me want to vomit. Oh, and some of them are on here, but link to superpower wiki instead.
Yeah, I made that a very long time ago, I honestly forgot it existed. I toned it down; if there's anything more I should fix, please let me know.
Heya ! I came here to report a particular page... Which many people have told me too previously.... My own. I finally decided to leave this wikia behind and start anew ,on a new wikia that has accepted this characters and ideas wholeheartedly. I will be leaving since I won't be able to correct what i did previously . I do have a few requests though:
Can a mod refresh all my blogs and pages , so i can transport them to a separate wikia. I know i should've done this awhile ago... But i thought i would be able to save my pages. I forgot to do it... Hopefully you'll give me the opportunity. You don't have to revive all of them, just this one will do temporarily . I'll link to the wikia page of where I place the information when I am done, so you know when to delete it. You don't have to... However, It would be greatly appreciated if one does all of them.
Hopefully... Once this is all settled, you delete them again, as well as ban me. This way... You won't ever have to see me again here . Thank you for the time I spent here. I loved every minute of it.
I'd actually prefer people stop treating you (and your characters) as some kind out outlaw when they are, dare I say, "guilty" of the same thing. It's hypocritical. I don't see what was so bad with your file when others give 4-Bs High 1-A hax and get away with it. I think your ideas and concepts should be accepted here if others' are and they are really no different.
Now it's up to you to do what you want. But at least frequent Discord (if you can) as I like talking with you. I was just about to make a thread about this but I'm glad I dropped by here first.
I appreciate it Sera, DMUA, and Lucky. Honestly, I didn't expect so much support for this . Especially DMUA... I didn't expect your backing ( Though it is all the more appreciated ) . Okay.... Hopefully this will be looked at and considered. I love this wikia... And i say that from the bottom of my heart, no BS or fake crying involved. I care genuinely for this place and all it stands for, and I cared for everyone here ( Including the mods & admins ... As irritating as I may have been to them ... Which I admit i may have not been really good at just... existing here . ) . I honestly don't want to leave... But it depends on the mods honestly.
Please don't get on Sera for doing what she did previously . She honestly didn't have to. It was my fault to explain what I desired. It's my fault for introducing these ideas to this wikia and angering CrossverseCrisis about this . His post hurt me because I knew at that point I'll only be a stain on him, not a "friend", but an annoyance. Hopefully this won't be the same result... Otherwise I'm gone for good .
My concepts are a bit ridiculous. I will admit that . But i try to see beyond the system and see ways you can ... expand upon it for the better . I do that in everyday life as well, so it isn't too much of a surprise i attempted to do it here.
I plan on going to Discord daily. In-fact, I shall do it temporarily . Not to discuss the character thing, but rather just have fun .
I'll be that person and say "Stop right there." in the hypocritical part of the deal. Especially because I was one of the persons who actually pointed problems with those pages and because, out of my mostly "Anywhere between Wall to Universal+" characters, there are about three who fall under that supposed "hipocrisy" for calling out those pages while having bs tier conditional/circumstantial hax.
That isn't anywhere close to calling out the Suggs Level (yes, I'm still being that person and I'll touch that scar here since there are characters I genuinely like who are extremely low tiered but have extremely high hax, both in FC/OC and Professional Works alike.).
Since when is a character of 3-D power having higher dimensional or beyond hax a problem if well executed?
"Oh, it's extreme?"
So I assume Masadaverse characters suck because they have 1-A hax at times.
So does Umineko to an extent.
Or Warhammer characters like Base Emperor for having Void Manip High 1-B Chaos Gods can't get around. Same goes for Kharn being a Literal "walking High 1-B level hax nullification".
Or Homura from Madoka for having 2-A passive mind hax in Homulily stage.
Or Reinhard himself for having 1-A based Apoptosis.
Or those SCP characters full of waaaay higher dimensional BS (I actually dislike many of these, though).
It's one thing to have a character who has extremely high scale hax in one or another aspect.
Another thing entirely is to shove over A HUNDRED times the word Omni and Omnipowers in a page. Literally.
So that accusation of hypocrisy on those who called out on those pages is, forgive me for adressing it as such, blatantly false when Seed once had, for example, a legitimate page where he claimed a character created/is absolute in every fiction out there. Each author rights be damned. And that may not even have been the worst offender.
Long story short: I'm fine with Seed being around.
And I have no reason whatsoever to oppose his pages (or anyone else's for that matter) anymore as I'm genuinely just tired of trying to change or give an opinion in other people's verses in anything - I reserve to myself the right to mind my own stuff only, I guess.
But the moment someone implies the pages he had that people had a problem with had no reason to be accused as such, or that it was hypocritical to reply in that manner, sorry. That's the one moment I'll have to answer "Now wait a moment right there."
Even if it happened to be true, two wrongs wouldn't make one right either way. Excusing one mistake with another isn't a thing. Especially when one mistake is like having a fire burning your hand while the other is like the Krakatoa Eruption.
This is so the wrong thread for this, but I don't really care right now.
How about I just do everyone a favor and just create an example of a file we don't want here?
That way we'll have a guideline of what not to do.
Because honestly, this whole, AP, Hax and recently speed stuff is getting out of hand...period.
We have people like Me, Sera and Monarch who actually put work into cosmologies that make a character so powerful as well a some like me and Fate who actually plan to do something with these characters be it a book, game, animation, etc (Assuming Fate's characters are characters from his stories). However, we have people who do this for fun.
The issue is, and the reason why the OC's and FC's here are starting to get a bad rep is because we have people who make a character OP for the sake of them being OP. We have countless characters who only exist to compared with others. It tells you something when the first thing you are asked in Discord "What hax does your character have", you give some simple hax, and then you get the reply "That's it?" Because, fuck it if a character has something besides hax. We have an issue here.
We've stated thousands of times that we don't care what you do. You can have a 10-C have 1-A hax for all I care, but make sure you can at least show that your character isn't just there to be OP. Show us that they have some type of personality. And don't just give us 1 sentence on personality and that's it. Although I wasn't a fan of Seed's pages, he did put a lot of effort into them. Once again, they have countless issues, but....eh I doubt I need to repeat myself.
It is sad when we have people who are relunctant to make 1-A's because the bad apples are what people see. People nowadays see a 1-A and think "shit character". People don't even look at the character personalities anymore. Nor the background. They see the 1-A stat and leave. It is sad when we have people who purposely remove statistics from their files because they don't feel comfortable and/or are scared that their characters will be lumped in with the bad ones. That is the state of this site right now.
That's precisely why I had to adress the "hypocrisy" thing, since said comment indirectly lumps a number of actually good characters/creators putting effort into the Suggs-category simply due to one power they have that may be insta-translated as "That's BULL!".
This sort of thing tends to happen not only because of the mentality you mentioned and the actually bad pages - yes, we have many of those but it's a wasp hive I'm not motivated to be touching anymore... - but also because of what I call "The VS Thread perspective".
If you look at certain powers from a VS Thread alone, even in a good character they may seem invincible. If you take them within the story however, it actually can be fitted - It can be an actual tool to the plot if well executed, instead of one of battle. See how Homulily's 2-A stuff actually worked FOR the plot of Rebellion to happen instead of against it. While looking at it in threads it translates 95% of the time to "Passive Mindhaxgg" >>> Win. The BS aspect of it.
I don't *necessarily* blame those thoughts. But - and in accordance with what you just said, actual characters who have real effort put into them and their power NOT being the focus to them would get invariably lumped together in the "hypocritical" category, "how that factors in the plot" side of the story be damned.
Let me explain as best I can, as this isn't the place for this. Masadaverse is not an excuse nor example in the defense of the sheer stupid ass mentality people have here. Nor is Umineko, Cthulhu, Warhammer, Suggsverse, Penultimate Pataverse, SorA's blog, All Dimensions Wiki, Verses and Dimensions Wiki etc.
Takashi Masada does not care if his characters are 1-A or not. I, do NOT care if my characters are High 1-C or not. H.P Lovecraft couldn't give the slighest shit about the Outer Gods being 1-A or anything of the sort. It does not change their intent.
What is the intent of the MAJORITY of people who make such characters? To win vs debates. Nothing more. To make the strongest. Is that inherently bad? No. It is not something that should be ignored however. When the fuck is the line between JBW and FCOC going to finally be drawn?
FC/OC:
A place to build and develop original or fan characters and verses. (There's no building up or developing these trashy characters, you can tell because their files are 99% hax).
JBW:
A place where we analyze and discuss the most ridiculous of memes, OC's, and parodies. Take note of OC's. It's on the home page. Ryukama himself even said JBW is NOT just for joke profiles, but a certain breed of FCs and OCs as well.
Why should people who just want to build up verses in a serious context be forced to have to deal with being ignored and pitted up against "muh 3-B with High 1-B hax". That's not even remotely the same classification of character. Rather you like it or not. Again, this is, has been, and always will be about intent.
Can you make a character with myraids of hax. Yes.
Can you make a 10-B have 1-A hax. Yes.
Should you make a 10-B have 1-A hax so they can be the strongest 10-B. No.
Seed?
Sure he had dumb stuff on his profiles, but give me one time Seed EVER flaunted his character. One time! I don't recall him ever saying "Matthew is the strongest being in this entire wiki but that's nonmybusiness lol."
I'm sorry. Yes I am frustrated, yes I am pissed off, and yes having to always talk about this doesn't make it any better. No, I'm not mad/angry at you Fate, or Seed, or Dragon, or anybody. I'm just tired of this bullshit. No one cares about quality control, no one cares about structure, so why should I?? I spend days on days on these profiles trying to make symbolic characters that stand out, but all people do is rag on about "Medusa still couldn't be Character X" or "No way Gabriella is stronger than mah character". They ignore personality, they ignore lore, symbolism, and intent, and what it boils down to me is a waste of my hard earned time (time I could be using focusing on private business i.e. marital, baby, college stuff). The Reclusive One is making a legit webcomic yet no one but me is around to discuss plot, world building, characters, etc. Oh but as SOON as he mentions hax the lot jumps in the fray ready to make comparisons. That'd be fine were it not for him, Eso, and others being ignored every other instance otherwise...
I'm not bringing this up anymore. I don't want to be part of this Great Divide. To those who think I'm just being strict or whatever, do whatever you want; you don't gotta worry about Sera giving a damn anymore. Cuz she doesn't. Not worth the anxiety or stress. I still feel sorry for people who actually make quality material here. They are better off at DeviantArt (where overly op characters are clearly frowned upon like they are around the rest of the internet). Quality is dead. This place is the equivalent of the NES library. Great quality gems but they are buried in an ocean of garbage...
Ouch. A lot of pent up stress and tension has been released this day. Hopefully people listen to this Sera... They need to.
Anyways... I still appreciate your kindness, Sera. Very rarely is this type of concern shown in the debating community. Sure i made "crappy" characters, but my characters were meant to be something unique, creative, with a type of nature never seen before it's time. It was both successful and not so in the exact same way. They were never meant just to be powerful and bland w/o any reason to be so strong. I meant to do a lot of things with him after his creation, but never got around to it due to my time spent on Vsbattles, which i deeply regret, since I can't do it now. I couldn't have been more happy and sad of it .
First and foremost, I will ask that you just listen.
I won't counter adress the points were you say you are frustrated. Because I've been there, for quite a while, myself. Until the point I just went and assumed "The good ones will keep improving, the bad ones won't."
My point works in defense of "There are pages that fit under these high tier powers, yet are not hypocritical to call the bad pages that are also in those levels."
My point was NOT "You are wrong." or "Quality is not needed." In fact, if that was my view on this matter, I'd never have had commented anything here in regards to Seed's old content in the first place.
As I pointed out in your latest thread regarding this matter, I agree with your view of quality control. My point on the hypocrisy is that leaving that comment as wide as it originally was, it ends up affecting the gems you yourself just mentioned. It's a judgement that would affect literally anyone who commented there but happens to care about their contents.
Do I disagree with you that there are ridiculous, 0 quality pages? Not really. Though we'll probably clash in the point where I think, without a doubt, that Seed's old ones were a Prime example of the very type of page you have a problem with. Even if he did not go around telling everyone "My x beats y", the pages itself made one extremely repetitive point out of being omnipotent and above pretty much anything.
Quality control is needed? Certainly. I made the comment above myself, did I not? "My problem is only with the actually good pages that share ONE trait with these bad ones being invariably lumped together with them, precisely because there are many crappy ones happening."
I don't care for the most part about hax discussing (even my ccomments in pages reference history for the most part) so the point of people going around acting as if they made a work of art by filling some page with the word "HAXHAXHAXHAX". Then yeah, that's a horrible attitude. And I'm well aware it happens.
Precisely because it's that horrible, I understand people who don't do that wouldn't want to be indirectly thrown into that category. The part of your comment I adressed as wrong was, pure and simple, sounding like "If you have a character with high tier/hax and accuse a bad OP page, then you are hypocritical."
Whether intentional or not, it was a generalization. With your recent reply, you just made a separation by mentioning exceptions to that. So I literally have nothing else to disagree with you.
I absolutely agree with Sera, Fate and Dragon. Seed is not the worst this website has gotten, and singling them out as the only problem and holding one of their pages on display for public mockery is not ethical or right.
One of the first times this quality control stuff was adressed and the very creation of this thread was a result of me feeling UTTERLY disheartened at the quality of pages and problems I saw with certain verses of Power for the Sake of Power and discussing it with Matthew who brought it to Cross and shared that with the staff.
This very thread we speak in, for "Bad Page Reporting" was a result of that.
I get your point very well, Sera.
The only thing I'd feel like it's wrong to do, is to make a point where it seems that everyone falls into *that* category.
I knew this rant/explosion was coming sooner or later from her. I do agree that it is unfortunate that people basically join this place thinking they're going to be among like-minded inviduals and build their verses together, but are actually stepping foot into a toxic wasteland of people who only care about debating powers. The vs battle aspect should be secondary like on VSBW. For some reason it's primary.
Sera spends 4-5 days on a single profile and she has six currently (plenty more in development on Docs). This is usually done passed midnight which is the only time of day she has time to work on that stuff, so she's missing out on sleep. Why do it? Because she's passionate about it and loves creating characters, even when it's all just for fun. Seeing Prom's productivity, her characters, the quality of her profiles, it inspires her (hell, me too) to keep going. I guess I just feel sorry for her but I feel as I should apologize on her behalf as to prevent any sort of situation from escalating. She's very tired and very irritated right now.
As I said, I understand Sera's frustration precisely because I felt the same for the longest time (Matt or Alf can confirm about that any day. They'll tell you in no uncertain terms how much I talked with them in chat about being so disheartened at so many pages around that fit this description).
But I *had* to adress that, even if only for the sake of pointing out that the good exceptions do exist.
Naturally, I only wish the best for Sera, even if she gets mad at me for this short discussion. ^_^ If I offended or annoyed her in any way, do apologize for me as it wasn't my intention to in any way whatsoever.
I agree so much with Matt. The best thing to do here is to separate the men from the boys and the ladies from the little girls. Let the quality of your work speak for itself and let kids be kids. ye?
Fine by me. That actually seems like the most feasible course of action, Ven.
EDIT: No offense taken at all, Fate (I could never be mad at you for something so juvenile), and I do agree that good exceptions do exist (looks at Monarch's work). Just needed to get that off my chest as naturally I think that kind of breed gets too much attention as well.
Promestein wrote: It's quite unfortunate that the versus aspect is as important as it is.
Maybe we can somehow reduce some of this problem if we just ban matches between "x with higher dimensional y" and normal tiered characters with stuff on the same dimensional level?
EDIT: While an exception could be made if both creators agreed to it, I guess?
That way people would feel less interested in going around making them I think, if only partially, as they wouldn't be able to go around throwing matches and saying "MuhHax" all the time. Wouldn't solve the problem on Discord, if people are going around doing that tho.
Maybe we can somehow reduce some of this problem if we just ban matches between "x with higher dimensional y" and normal tiered characters with stuff on the same dimensional level?
I am a bit conflicted on this. On the one hand, I can undersstand where you're getting at with people not being able to show off "MuhinfiniteDhaxlolrekt", but on the other hand, it makes me still doubt people will stop bragging about how strong their characters are in general because that's what the the "kids" will do no matter what.
"These people would like to discuss in the VS threads how these "Muhhax" powers single-handedly tear through everything and be bragging wins.
If they know that in adding that it insta-translates to "won't have matches in the first place" then maybe they would feel less motivated to just make the Omni-Rekt-Muhax in the first place, as that would outright beat the purpose of them wanting to show off anything.
Their page would just be there but if it's crappy no one would pay any attention to whatever they wrote there anyways as without matches there would be no need to be reading through an ocean of random overly-meh-hax.
Hax stomps shouldn't be allowed to begin with. That's the most basic of basics. So giving someone that kind of hax is pointless if you want vs matches.
Understood! Yeah, then they wouldn't brag that "Myocxxripperbloodbladexxkilledthisguyhesostronglmao". This seems like a possibility that could potentially help, imo. I agree in general with this thread btw.
Character, story, lore, etcetera should take priority. Writing only for power is something most authors don't care about.
Oh, praise the heavens this glorious day! Literally every grievance I've ever had with some of the practices on this site just got voiced... I thought I was just about the only one.
If it wasn't apparent, yes, I agree with the above. Discourage "overpowered characters for the sake of being overpowered", sure, but if people really want that? Let page and character quality speak for itself, and what people do or don't pay attention to will make it apparent that people aren't interested in matches involving those sorts of characters, assuming they're not already hax stomps.
To be quite frank, I 100% agree I overkilled it. I know I did. My reasons for doing such honestly was because of the fact I was scared that it wouldn't fit the requirements and fall short, so I used everything I possibly could to describe him in such a way. It was futile yes, as it still failed honestly. I could have made my character bland and fit it effortlessly. But... There was no way I would do something like that. I could literally have just made him Azathoth and no one would've cared.
And no I am not the only one. I've seen characters go under the spotlight that I know for a fact do not fit the requirements. I can name 2 .
In fact, i care the very same hatred for that type of practice. Infact, i literally mentioned it when i made Future Matthew. Her power set was made specifically to represent everything I hated about the Vsbattles aspect of the community. It was why i knew people such as Fate would hate it, because it showed and brought to light this exact problem. It was a creative way to introduce it. Sera's was more effective though.
Also, can I just say that these verses who are only made for "MUHPOWAH!!!!" are very easy to spot.
We aren't going to go on "Witch Hunts", but if we notice a file like that and see nearly no substance, we will ask about it. So be prepared to answer. A simple paragraph or more worth of personality would make us happy.
Also I personally will be asking for those with 1-A anything about their cosmology blog. Pretty sure we made that a rule.
I don't think it's that bad. Could do with some cleaning up, and until I see some more plot I'm going to assume its a 1-A for the sake of being powerful, but not deletion worthy or anything. It's justification, via scaling, is 1-A, even if it does seem like a very common justification for 1-A
>Had a shitty ass week of Spring Break that ended last weekend along with a really bad family emergency while asking the staff to look out for here for a while.
>Sees stuff like this happening that happened in like one of the past few days in one day...
Ahhh......................................................................I feel glad of just leaving and not being a part of this whole thread that literally does not need to be a discussion thread.
Also this has been brought up before and I assume people gave time to the user to edit, but nothing was changed since then and Zenia still sounds really meh for Tier 0, too.
The ammount of substance lacked in the page as a whole - even more at the justifications - is kind of eye-burning.
Satanael. This page has 1. Questionable High 1-A justifications (although that's not the main reason why I'm reporting this).
2. NLF Immunities on lower keys. (Not just resistances, flat out immunities)
3. An ability that affects HIGH 1-A BEINGS. (again, on lower key) I'm not kidding here, he supposedly does that. And with this thread having him against the wikia's strongest High 6-A (Satan), I'm starting to think it was made for the sole purpose of beating Satan. Or at the very least altered to do so.
The creator has also made these pages: Toster, Seve. These can also be deleted for the same reason as Olive.
Someone should still probably tell the creator ya there unfinished and what's there does need to be deleted but still the guy should be given the chance to save it to work on it somewhere else.
At first, I thought it was one of THOSE (perverted) guys who made that, but it was just that one guy who made this redundant page. (BTW, the page I linked is one I am reporting)
The 2nd Existential Seed wrote:
....*Sees no statistics, nothing battle worthy for said previous entry and only implications of a bad sexual story*
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Uhmm
The sock guy was a major problem on VBW and has for some reason, taken his rage here, seen when he comments about Antvasima. I'm just trying to get the rest of his damage noticed
Hey excuse me, im good friends with AnonymouX, i see his pages are here and they are considered bad page. He isn't coming back, i already asked him. he did tell me that i can edit those characters and that if i want ask them to be deleted. so what will you do with them?
AllanShadow78 wrote:
Hey excuse me, im good friends with AnonymouX, i see his pages are here and they are considered bad page. He isn't coming back, i already asked him. he did tell me that i can edit those characters and that if i want ask them to be deleted. so what will you do with them?
I want them deleted. at least all of the tier 1s (and the tier 0)
Because they are of very poor quality for a tier 1 (It makes the person look like they are just writing for power when they do this), and they have never been fixed. AnonymouX has now just abandoned this site, so there is not much reason to even keep them on here, unless you can fix them in a reasonable manner. I would not be against letting you try to fix some to be of proper quality for tier 1 before we just delete them.
But, just wait for an admin to respond and we will see what happens.
You know, it would be great if you would tell me what makes it poor quality? i get that it looks like it was made for him to be that powerful, but i dont get the problem with that. can you be more specific? yes i can fix them, though it will take time.
i do agree that we need to wait for an admin's vote on this.
AllanShadow78 wrote:
You know, it would be great if you would tell me what makes it poor quality? i get that it looks like it was made for him to be that powerful, but i dont get the problem with that. can you be more specific? yes i can fix them, though it will take time.
i do agree that we need to wait for an admin's vote on this.
Bad quality because
Does not follow good formatting (IE. Bolding things that don't need to be bolded, such as the powers and abilities)
Not good enough explanations for the tiering (Really only applies to the tier 1/0 parts)
Powers that shouldn't be on here (Nigh Omnipotence shouldn't be on a list, instead just reality warping, and people would know what level of reality warping it is due to a tier 1-A status)
Explanations are a bit hard to pin down, especially since I know almost nothing about the verse, but expanding some of them might actually make them good.
One more note, if you see any powers linking to the Superpower Wiki, and that power is either redundant or can be classified with a power on this wiki, feel free to change/remove it.
The 2nd Existential Seed wrote:
You need a... Lot more info on the page before it can keep the tiers.
I can tell he has no understanding on the tiering system. He should just stay away from tiers 2, 1, and 0 entirely. If he doesn't get insta banned for that page.
The 2nd Existential Seed wrote:
You need a... Lot more info on the page before it can keep the tiers.
I can tell he has no understanding on the tiering system. He should just stay away from tiers 2, 1, and 0 entirely. If he doesn't get insta banned for that page.
Why Would I Get baned for the page? just because of the likes and dislikes section of it?
Darkmon cns wrote:
I mean according to your post it hasn't even been 2 hours so.. he may just have not noticed.
He edited the page after my warning was sent out. He should have at least got the notification. And he has just left a comment on the page saying, "He's that strong", telling me he is just one of those "mah OCs are the best and yours are fodder to him" kind of people.
1 still accusing someone of ignoring somthing after only making it an hour ago is harsh especially when there probably new to the site format as a whole.
2 I don't really see the relivents if he can't come to terms with the rules of the wiki then there would be a problem.
However he has no user page. Which is odd. That and this being there only wiki is normaly the sigh of a sock. And sometimes fandum glitches too.
The notion of being new ain't guarding from profile quality regulation, tho there are bumps and humps on an article at the time of its creation its bound to be asked what be its issue and ills and asked to be re-paced in its content and it'd best be done sooner than later regardless.
It be common seeing users without profiles as well, it ain't that grandly vague why the mate doesn't have one, lack of editing it could have resulted in such.
Darkmon cns wrote:
Well. He responded with asking to see the rule about NLFs.... I checked the FC rules page... there actually....isn't...one....
It was something mentioned in some thread earlier. Actually wanting to ban some powers (Such as absolute powers), and Unrestricted Murdering is pretty much an absolute power, just doesn't have absolute in its name. That's why I reported it.
I'm not sure what to say everyone agreed it should be against the rules, everyone's been treating it like it is.. but no one ever actually took the time to put that in the rules..
Edit: well he seems to have taken my advice more or less the page looks fine now... tho.. Is I don't know if irreversible damage is a power on this wiki.. tho now that I think of it it kinda sounds like it should be.
Aside from the "mature" stuff, this page needs hell'a fixing. Especially the formatting and the "borderline" overpowered powers.
I've already talked to the creator on this. Also have informed him on the "mature" stuff as well. The powers are OP, yes, but they aren't really NLF, so it's not breaking any rules in this regard (and the rule breaking stuff has been brought to the creator, and has been acknowledged by him)
Literally just a fraction of what can be even called "tolerable", while I do appreciate the want to create a character like this, it's just completely incomplete, and better off being a blog post that can be updated overtime until completion.
Not to mention, 10-C is quite an uncreative tier. Something I do plan to fix, for reference.
Okay, let's be real, when Trolls renaming your character to "Original the Character do not steal" legitimately makes the page better, there is something wrong.
And let me tell you, there is something wrong.
Like basically all the AU profiles that I believe have been deleted... Okay no, SeanSean (teen) and Sean black are still around, but those should be taken out for the same reason as well.... Actually only Toster (AKA Jiren) was actually deleted, Olive is still around. Regardless...
They aren't actually original.
It's just literally Trunks but he's not actually named Trunks and some Partner Customization was made. There's just nothing new or creative brought to the table, and these pages being kept around are bad influences on their own creators, frankly. I'd like to write more but.. there's nothing to even write about.
Not to mention, formatting is a forking mess all around too.
And you know what, while we're on the subject of MHA...
Izuku Midoriya (TheSparkly2022 verse) is literally just wanked Deku. It's not even trying to input minor differences, it's just like all the other "Fan Characters" the guy put up.
Overall, all of these pages hardly have any originality to them and should probably be removed, if nothing more, to encourage their creators to have new ideas.
