Board Thread:Versus Battles/@comment-37583355-20190411061157/@comment-25603146-20190419215023

Okay! So

First off, as far as basic/general advantages and disadvantages go, Avidor is more experienced. He's lived 4000+ years to Tina's 35, and had a lot more time to actually put into practice what he knows... granted, Tina is somewhat smarter, and can thus more effectively optimize what experience that she does have- having absorbed the information and knowledge of beings that make Avidor look like a newborn child next to Stonehenge certainly helps. Tina also seems to generally have a more versatile set of powers than The God of Lust, here, and will probably land some hits with fire/ice/lightning/nature control, etc. just on virtue of that. Avidor, from what I can see though, almost certainly has a power/toughness advantage of some sort, having generally more to scale to in addition to being "Low 2-C, likely 2-C" to "High 3-A, likely Low 2-C". Granted, it's not very likely at all this fight will come down to simple fisticuffs, but at minimum it ought to help soak up whatever direct attacks Tina uses.

As I see it? Avidor is much more of a specialist, who zeroes in on a few specific talents and optimizes them, whereas Tina is (as mentioned above) generally a good deal more well-rounded with her alchemy and so forth. Conversely, this could also probably mean that Avidor is predictable in a prolonged face-off, and make what Tina does less focused as well, on her end. What, though, are the actual Win Conditions of the fight itself, for The God of Lust and The Butcher?

Well, it's first probably important to go over what they have for defenses, so that it's apparent what is needed to get past them, as well as cracks in their armor that can be exploited.

Avidor - Egotistical and vain - In his own canon, was tricked/manipulation by Mary - Stubborn and predictable
 * Slight toughness advantage
 * Mid-Godly regen (i.e. doesn't really care about being Existence Erasure'd)
 * Is an abstract: exists as a manifestion of Lust itself
 * Non-Corporeal
 * Resistance to Magic, just in general (note: Tina's alchemy, the source of all of her powers, is classified as a type of magic)
 * Resistance to Conceptual, Death, Soul, Probability, Fate, Matter, Spatial, and Void resistances
 * Apparently Nigh-Immunity to Mind Manipulation in particular

Tina Phillips - Except (at least explicitly) Pleasure Manipulation and Paralysis - Ankh of Life's blessings are (eventually) exhaustible - Spamming her Alchemical abilities too much in too little time can have a strain on her entire existence - Can behave emotionally/irrationally in a fight -- Was defeated in her own canon (at least once) by losing control of her emotions, and had her regeneration popped by - Has PTSD - The notion of someone equaling/exceeding her in power terrifies her
 * Foam Forcefields basically apply as a defense against basically EVERYTHING Avidor has,
 * (though arguably she could bootleg a counter-measure to both manually given her immense Intelligence, and that neither seem to be some form of strange Conceptual Pleasure Manip./Paralysis; at least, assuming she can operate from thought alone... a literal infinite amount of pain's kinda rough)
 * Robotic body probably(?) physically immune to Lust Manip.
 * The Ankh of Life, a reactive defense to all of the above
 * Low-Godly regeneration

So, clearly Tina's not got as much going on defensively. That's alright, right? Tina clearly has the more potent set of offenses, or at minimum the more varied. That said, for all of Tina's various ways of taking someone like Avidor on...

Looking at this, it seems as though I have to go with Avidor.

Really, even if Tina strikes me as the overall scarier combatant, this has all the marks of a specialist going into the sort of situation that he, well, specialized in. Let's start at the beginning-

Avidor's aura already puts Tina at a severe handicap from the word go. Even if we are assuming that her body being robotic makes it immune to all of the physical elements of Avidor's Lust Manip. it still screws with her mind/emotions, especially as it regards lust and attraction, already an explicit weakness of hers that defeated her in her own canon. At least, it works to wear it down, yeah? While both the Ankh of Life and her Foam Barriers protect against this, according to each of their descriptors, the former is finite in its lifespan (which an aura here would be ticking down constantly), and the latter can be overwhelmed by someone with more raw power (as Avi at least seems to have.)

For all of Tina's ways of putting Avidor down, I'm not certain if any of them would really stick due to Avidor's existence as an Abstract: as "Lust", or a manifestation thereof. As long as lust exists, so does Avidor, no? So any of her ways she'd win without killing, Omega Dominus especially (which seems in character for her as a Hail Mary at minimum, with how much I can only imagine she'd loathe Avidor entirely and want to see him humiliated) would just reimpose Avidor's existence as being a part of lust. I mean, does Tina not have those sorts of desires towards Eric? Tina is a lustful, abusive person: Avidor IS lust and abuse.

Finally, while Avidor does have the weakness of being able to be tricked or deceived by those smarter than him (ex. Tina), it doesn't seem to me as though that would even be in character for her to begin with. Her backstory is defined quite deeply by the abuse she suffered at the hands of bad and domineering men, and among her dislikes are "Being put down for any reason, Very loud noises, Rude people, Losing", and her becoming domineering and sadistic as a result. It seems much more likely that Avidor would exploit Tina's personality weakness by just being who he is than Tina acting out-of-line with her own desires, especially while the aforementioned Lust Aura is constantly eating away at her defenses.

The main thing I see that might punch through Avidor's Mid-Godly, countless force-fields, and blanket resistance to everything Tina can do would be the Lance of Longinus passive attaching itself to her attacks and punching through. While it is pretty explicitly "Ankh of Life++" level or so, it has the drawback of requiring that Tina knows how the defensive power she wants to bypass works, which as far as I can see requires that she get Information Read off... which both puts her at risk of getting punished, and also, again, checks Avidor's resistance to all magic. The more desperate she gets, the more likely she might be to use Omega Dominus, and unless that's enough she's left wide open for a counterattack, with her "true" self being present...

So, TLDR, my take on it with what I'm given to see:
 * Each acting in character is much more of a benefit for Avidor than for Tina,
 * He at least on paper seems to have greater potency to his hax (just his passive Aura overwhelms an entire solar system without effort, and his active use of reality warping can individually affect all of the universe's inhabitants: if Tina has similar or greater capabilities, I have nothing to go on to assert that),
 * Tina's defenses seem more finite,
 * And he's an abstract embodiment of a Sin that Tina is utterly filled to the brim with.
 * While Avidor is more predictable in a prolonged face-off, his Aura puts Tina on the clock, with it exerting constant pressure on her Foam Barriers
 * Tina can't spam abilities non-stop without threatening to tear herself into non-existence (A preferable fate to ending up in Avidor's care tbh)
 * Her best attack, Omega Dominus, also leaves her open to being OHKO'd, since Avidor has the ability at least probably to survive it

So, I guess... Avidor, Mid-high diff.

Gah, that stings to type, too. If Tina were to win, in theory... well, let's read Lance of Longinus:

"...The way it does is by putting a counter on everything that keeps them alive in the first place, and instead makes such things have the opposite affect. Immortality that keeps her opponent alive will instead make sure that they're more dead than ever, regeneration will have a reversed effect and create as much damage onto her opponent as it would normally heal, and resistances will instead become weaknesses."

Needless to say, it's scary as all hell, and if we're assuming that she can actually get it off? And that it can pierce Avidor's magic resist? Well,

"Abstract Existence (Is the embodiment of lust itself)" and Immortality "(Type 8; Reliant on the very concept of lust to continue existing)" both invert themselves. What that would mean, with Avidor essentially being an embodiment of everything that is vile and evil about potential expressions of lust (at least on the male end of things), is that "Avidor" would cease to be able to manifest: that the very existence of lust as an idea would prevent men from ever being dominant or abusive: that at least about half of lust would be purely expressed.

(Now to make Tina absorb Avi's Lust Embodiment with power absorption and invert it to target women, make her blow herself up with Lance of Longinus active, and all is right in the world once more, lol.)

But yeah, we can't have nice things. Or... can we?

Two things about Tina that might make me change my mind, but that I can't currently evaluate. One: Who is this Yahvehya character, and what do they have to do with Tina's Law Manipulation? Two: Plot Manipulation... what has Tina done with this, in the past? In theory, it might solve a lot of the problems she faces, but I suppose I'll have to see about that.

For now, uh... yeah. I guess I promised I would get back to this, and so here we are.