Board Thread:Versus Battles/@comment-29853277-20181007032519/@comment-29853277-20181008051835

Akreious wrote:

No, 1-A Plot is literally UNABLE to make KiJuu pick up the thunderbolt and go home as that would require her to effect the KiJuu, which is impossible. Given she's unable to affect it here, with the range limitation along with the fact that her 1-A Plot manipulation is directly due to affecting Alaya. Alaya's lack of resistance isn't proof that it could effect other 1-As, especially 1-As that flat out aren't effected by Plot. Hell, Alaya is literally the amalgamation of Humanity (Literally called the Authority of Humanity), no duh she's subject to Plot. It's not 1-A because it affects Alaya.

It's 1-A because Alaya is the source of the power.

"Phantasmal Being: Fi is a Phantasm, a being born and made from human stories, ideas and beliefs. She is a living idea, a living story, and such things cannot be affected by mere force. No matter if the attack is a bullet, and nuclear bomb, or supernovae collapsing into a black hole, Fi will not be harmed or affected in the slightest. Even laws of physics such as gravity are only followed due to her desiring to, as such laws do not apply to ideas and stories."

I have... several questions about this. I know it's passive but this doesn't take into account things such as Time Fuckery. I get that stuff like the Laws of Physics no longer applies, but Time Fuckery >>> Everything listed as examples here. Although she likely resists anyways because "Muh plot". Yeah, time hax is included. Can't affect a metaphysical thing, can't affect a Phantasm. And if you want to keep pulling the daddy 1-A comes to beat the opponent up, even if the time power did work against her, Alaya would say "no, that's not how Fi's flow of time is meant to work, imma fix her.

Another fairly unlikely but still a possibility due to Fast Man's impulsiveness is ripping a hole straight to the Void, the 1-A place I talked about above. If these things go onto the battle field, the creatures inside I mean, everyone is screwed. You're just flat out done. These things eat KiJuus for breakfast in a straight out fight, which includes the KiJuu of Plot. Ok, so inconclusive

Also I went back and re-researched my own verse and yes, KiJuu are just flat out 1-A for upholding reality and resisting The Void and it's creatures. Almost all the KiJuus are equal, which includes the KiJuu of Time and KiJuu of Plot (technically there's a KiJuu of everything since KiJuu are literal aspects of all of reality. KiJuu of Cookies anyone? ;D), so 1-A Plotting the KiJuu of time isn't going to work. On the other hand, 1-A Time Raping the KiJuu of Plot isn't going to work for the same reason, so if the KiJuus get involved then I'm pretty sure Fiona is screwed. Literal 1-A aspects of all reality... sounds exactly like the dozens if not infinite numbers of beings that Alaya created and contains within itself.

Plus the missed Time Bolt is because she plotted it so that it misses her. That's not "dodging". If it missed, the "Time" is returned. If it's affected, like powernulled or absorbed then it will cause the KiJuu of time to go "Oh hell no". I'd say directly affecting the plot so that the bolt misses her/Passing through a literal being of plot is going to trip some sensors. I disagree. The bolt won't even need to be plot haxed into missing because it can't even touch her. And if it can't even touch her, then it's just going to fly straight through her, and promptly be returned. That's it. It wouldn't trip sensors because nothing has actually happened to the bolt that can actually trip any sensors. It just missed because Arimimi threw it at something that he can't actually hit.

As I pointed out, the Void is as powerful if not moreso than Alaya given their reasonings for 1-A. The KiJuus actively fight said Void. The KiJuu's only direct superiors in the verse are the Aetherion Lords (Who are the first-born beings born from The Living Pantheon and also beings that stomp all of The Void due to drawing powers from said High 1-A).

Alaya's reasoning basically consists of "There's infinite Alayas each transcending eachother, so no matter how strong Yog Sothothium gets, she will still be stronger". The Void is basically "There are literal uncountable amounts of "beings" that transcend on another in a cycle that's unfathomable as the very concept of measurement is foreign to them". This sounds like Alaya is superior, but that's only because the wording literally means that you flat out cannot measure their power. There's no such thing as "measurement" for them. Saying that there's an infinite amount of these beings transcending one another is implying that there's an ∞ amount of them, which cannot happen as that's a form of measurement.

That's... actually irrelevant to Alaya. Alaya could just as easily create a "conceptually immeasurable" number of 1-A beings transcending each other by a "conceptually immeasurable" degree (and does), all it would take is one person in the Everworld to think of such a thing. And it could create other Alayas which could also create that, but are still below it. And that Alaya could create another Alaya which also creates that. Etc.