Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26221691-20170111062911/@comment-28644276-20170111142359

There are quite a number of things regarding this NLF thing, so first I'll give my points then after that I'll adress the points already made here that I find notworthy or have something to add as well. Here we go.

1. Full Hax Resistance: Gyrohem is one of the few verses I actually became a supporter around here so far, but with all due respect, this aspect of it looks to me like a stain on the verse. You can't have something like this.

For one, Hax is a broad term that relates to ALL abilities in EVERY VERSE that may grant a character or another some sort of advantage or powerful technique when fighting. You. Cannot. Say. Your character resists every hax in existence. That's akin to taking the rights of every verse and character that ever existed and saying that your character can resist and/or lolnope every hax they ever possessed. Fiction is vast.

And rights in fiction only go as far as one's own verse. Full hax resistant is not different than that occasion where a writer tried to say that the Omniverse was all of Fiction and reality and that TOAA (if I'm remembering correctly) was the one who created it all. Also, I have to question the actual meaning and need of "FHX" in its own home verse. It's not like the character needs resistance against every hax in existence, even those outside of his verse, to be strong or resist stuff.

2. Immunity to Reality Warping: I've seen this in a few profiles so far. I'd like to point out that I talked about that not only in threads, but I also made a thread regarding the subject myself like a month ago just in case, which might come in handy.

3. Drawing power from Higher Dimensions: I'm starting to see this one here and there. Not exactly impossible, per say, but at times it does sound like some NLF for a lower dimensional to be drawing power from higher ones and actually oneshotting enemies of a higher dimensional level. It would be like me getting the strongest cannon and alien technology so complex I wouldn't even begin to understand it but somehow using it to blow another being that is entirely beyond my comprehension from existence as well. Maybe case by case basis, not sure.

4. Faster than Irrelevant: It makes as much sense as me saying "I can go faster than blah." ...Yeah, it doesn't. You're saying you go faster than something that doesn't give a damn about whatever speed even is. Speed. Is. Irrelevant. And 1-A mechanics vary A LOT from one verse to another, so being "faster" in one verse may not at all equal being "faster" in an-You know what, this doesn't really make any sense. Arguing a stats that is irrelevant.

5. Drawing power from Tier 0: Ok, as a user I'll make my view on this very clear: Not only is it NLF, it sounds like a VERY clear attempt to make a character invincible no matter what AND circumvent the "Only one Tier 0" rule at the same time. It's like "Yeah, he fights at said level but he also has this tier 0 backing up the output of one or another of his power to wreck his opponent, even if he is LEAGUES above!"

Unless you actually ARE the very Tier 0 rather than some manifestation or another avatar, this... Is absolutely horrible for me. I'll be 100% honest: It's nothing short of cringey. Tier 0's are usually by definition beyond any and all. You may be some sort of avatar or lower manifestation or whatever. Anything bellow the Tier in question doesn't even begin to compare. In fact, in very famous verses that actually DO have Tier 0's of their own (which are extremely rare in VSB, yet are multiplying around here too lately), they're usually the ones who created everything and everyone may indeed be just an infinitely lower aspect of them...

Still, we don't see these infinitely lower facets drawing power from the Tier 0 to ACTUALLY GET TIER 0 OUTPUT just because.

By that same reasoning I could literally upgrade EVERYONE in SiPsi to Tier 0 by using "The Resonant Gene" as NLF and saying that "everyone can draw power from a High 1-A who, in turn, draws power from some higher plane of existence that is True Infinity. Since they are all connected and lower manifestations of True Infinity, they can all go Tier 0 via this".

6. OP Verses: I have absolutely nothing against someone if they want to make a verse like that. But I do mean A VERSE. Not just slap infinite tiers in everyone you can think about while making a semblance of a history, while also making your characters look no different than the powers and abilities sections of the wiki.

We're getting to the point where verses like SMT, Masadaverse and Umineko, highly regarded as some of the strongest, are slowly but surely on their path to look... Rather weak by comparison to some things we have here. And let me tell you that this is bad.

7. Power Mimicry: Somewhat harder to notice, but I'll have to point out that sometimes people seem to add powers to a character on a whim, just to counter something totally unrelated to their verses. To give a simple example, the last edit I made on a character of many some time ago added one ability to her. Less than half an hour later I saw someone (won't name) adding immunity to THE VERY ABILITY I had just given her. Like, whut? So the mechanics of your own character somehow changed out of nowhere to counter an ability of an entire unrelated character? That's some broken "Reactive Evolution" if I've ever seen one, buddy. lol

That's what I remember atm.

In fact, I'll have to agree with Matt and make a Suggs reference, because some profiles do give me that sort of impression at times. In fact, I originally wouldn't even discuss this subject, but I revealed to him that I would be distancing myself from here entirely as soon as I finished a few things that I had to (like editing the Power pages for Cross and commenting on other pages) because lately, too many things were just making me feel... Not exactly good feelings when I visited the wikia. And let me tell you one more thing: Overpowered characters that are that way for the sake of it are a big part of what makes a lot of people dislike FCs/OCs in general (with prejudice).

I'm not saying things should be changed to suit anyone's tastes. In fact, I'd have left without a word. But this is a piece of advice: The same way I'm feeling less inclined to be around thanks to these issues, a number of other users in the future may very well feel the same. And then the Suggs thing that Matt pointed happens.