Thread:ThePixelKirby/@comment-34568493-20190505112910/@comment-34568493-20190506001503

To make this more clear, I'm going to copy-paste every single post that I made on that thread:

and if you want me to prove that I didn't leave any post behind, I can do that too.

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 * The Player (Project Ozone 3): Tier 7-C, High 6-C, 5-C, High 3-A
 * The Player (Project Ozone 3)

7-C: stomps Izuru Altair

High 6-C: stomps 白 Dragon

5-C: stomps The Grand Oculoid since it can't effect The Player's invulnerability and will just get one-shot with omni-directional Red Katar, and Ainz Ooal Gown (Abridged Too Far) with tier 2-3 law manipulation

High 3-A: Ultraman Neo Mebius "limited Omnipotence" is bs and there is nothing that supports a "Tier 0 Baraghi" and Linx Rifelson's hax nullification doesn't work on something that is via machines and devices.


 * Traps the Dragon in an ME Drive and then burns the drive.


 * so? new profile .. got a problem?


 * https://fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:82457

for 6-A


 * Zhandou Li’Tongyi for 6-A, 10-C, and 8-A


 * How does G&W get past loads of immortality and Dark Matter


 * Freak Occurrence plot manipulation disallows that. Even if he copies him a million times, none of them will harm Li'Tongyi. Also, the manifestations are just fragments from the Network which would have a far higher degree of control over the copies than G&W since you're pretty much just copying itty bitty pieces of his consciousness. Even if you somehow managed to gain control over a million manifestations, they still can't kill themselves because they will just be reabsorbed by the Network

G&W can't harm the Network anyways so even if he is omnipresent, eventually the manifestations would just possess the entire 3D world and destroy him that way.

In general, how is he 8-A if he's a "2-dimensional being"


 * You do realize that you can have characters that are weaker manifestations of far greater characters right? And it still doesn't get past Freak Occurrence which isn't even something that relies on the 3rd key

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:2782479

You realize that every character on this list has a position for having either a single ridiculous hax or is tied to far higher tier character.

9-A Jill Presto will always remain at #1 9-A because she's tied to a bunch of 1-As


 * Just read the profile


 * except that it’s all necessary


 * 1-A summoning is totally fine as long as it's actually summoning or Type 9 Immortality and not just the 1-A dude jumping in because you think they will


 * Literally the only reason why The Dunwich Horror can compete with SCP-682 for strongest High 8-C is because his Tier 1 Great Old Ones and Elder God Summoning

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:2886062


 * Either way it still qualifies as hax because summoning isn't stat amping


 * Still haven't mentioned how Mr. Game & Watch (The Infinite Consortium) can beat Zhandou Li’Tongyi for 8-A


 * Why what? If you’re not going to read the page then what’s the point? Li’Tongyi can just possess him or reassemble his molecules into an immovable structure and incap.


 * Literally the fact that the clones won’t fight him due to plot manipulation

or he can just let his higher level manifestations mind control them if you want to ignore the plot manipulation.


 * You realize the plot hax just says that the clones will never fight eachother throughout the plot right? not that they can control the plot.

Also higher level manifestation / other versions or manifestations of Li’Tongyi on higher levels of the Network are infinite times more powerful than lower levels so they can just mind control them due to the fact that all Li’Tongyi clones have control over eachother. Also since G&W can’t even percieve Wraiths of Essence so he can’t make copies of something that is a non-corporeal abstraction.


 * Dude it’s the ability: Freak Occurance. They can’t bypass their own passive plot manipulation, the basis of the ability is literally that it won’t ever happen despite them or others having the ability to do so due to the plot literally writing itself around them so that it won’t happen.


 * How would they overpower them with an ability that says: “we will never fight eachother”. You realize they can’t change the ability to: “we can fight eachother” right?

G&W would just be making a ton of useless clones that do nothing and just get beat up regardless since their objective would be to “beat up G&W”


 * You realize that the manifestations aren’t clones right? they’re all pieces of his consciousness. You realize that G&W making clones of the 3rd weakest fragments of Li’Tongyi’s consciousness is just dumb regardless because they don’t have anything to support their Type 9 immortality. But I specifically disregarded that, also paired off with the fact that the clones won’t have Law Manipulation and Reality Warping because those abilities are due to their ability to manipulate aspects of their 4th key.

And also it’s not “outside help” when he’s literally just controlling himself.


 * Li'Tongyi will not ever have his desires betrayed by his manifestations, although it is very easy for them to do so, the timeline will continue to write itself so that it will never happen


 * All his other keys just exist and his first key can just manipulate their beings. They aren’t even fighting, their just providing means for him to use his abilities and type 9 immortality.

That’s literally what his ability: Collective Unity is for


 * Dude, it’s not an outside entity when it’s literally just the rest of himself so they are all the same entity that is in the fight, it’s just only Floor 3 manifestations that are active, would you prefer if I merged all the keys to emphasize that fact? Also, even when ignoring all these abilities, there is no way that the many clones that G&W makes can match the infinite amount of Floor 3 manifestations that encompass the 1st key anyways. You’re basically just doing G&W + finite clones vs infinite “clones”. And I also never said that they can’t act without the higher keys.

Also paired with the fact that they can never bypass Type 9 Immortality

Also Valev apparently transcends the Infinite Consortium with 4D law manipulation which the Zhandou's 1st Key definitely has.


 * He can't clone something that he can't even percieve or even see in general. And also the literal structure of the Network and the Thought Fractal in general is that each higher dimension consists of an infinite amount of the previous so that just makes it even more clear that Li'Tongyi wins as it would be infinite^infinite vs hundreds. Plus, even if he clones a hundred of each, they won't be able to use a large majority of their most powerful abilities since they don't have the tied Network structure to provide them with the means to using those while the original manifestations have access to all of those from the mere existence of the upper level Network.

Plus, even if I completely removed the higher Network from this battle, you still don't have any way to bypass the passive plot protection and the fact that he can split himself infinitely which means that G&W would clone a million copies, discover that they won't do anything and get destroyed.

... and that he also has "Iterative Assimilation" which would totally negate G&W's cloning as the copies would be appearing out of nowhere without logical reasoning which defies the ability as will thus cause them to all disappear.

You're literally just arguing that Li'Tongyi "violates the rules" when you have no reason to justify that he can beat him at all.


 * Dude, his profile doesn't even have Enhanced Senses, Cosmic Awareness, or even Extrasensory perception so how is he going to see extra-dimensional beings lol.

Also you're ignoring the plot protection ability completely likely because you know that G&W can't get past it


 * Why would I be evading this point when it's not even relevant, I literally just mentioned that as a side note and it has no affect of the outcome of this argument. What are you going to do with that information? bring Valev into the fight?

And don't tell me to stop evading when you're completely ignoring Plot protection.


 * If you're going to continue to ignore the Plot protection, do it in this thread:

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 * Do you realize that Law Manipulation is a subsection of Reality Warping?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Reality_Warping

This shenanigans has nothing to do with the fight and you're just continuing to ignore the Plot protection that currently allows Li'Tongyi to easily beat Mr. Game and Watch

and if you want to deny that, fix his page that says "controls... the laws of he universe on a four-dimensional scale"


 * Now where is your proof of that. Now you're just making up BS because he has no sensory abilities that even allow him to see them, so how does he make a copy of something that he can't even understand?

And none of this even helps at all since you're ignoring his passive plot protection which is currently why G&W will never beat Li'Tongyi even if he clones the entire Network.

If you're going to ignore that, G&W loses and you lose by default and I can freely assume that you have no way to bypass plot protection.

Also I said Li'Tongyi's first key, not Valev's first key so idk what you are talking about. You literally haven't made a single point other than "WoW hE cAn clOne TiEr oNe and ZerO" which is by all logic untrue and "Valev law manip" which is completely irrelevant to the topic.


 * Did you just say that higher dimensional entities are 3D, because I don't think you know what I mean by "higher dimensional" in this context. Also, the Network in it's entirety is at least infinite dimensional so I don't know what on earth you're trying to convey.


 * wth I never said that he’s going to summon a higher being and smash him with tier 2 attacks. I said that the clones will never fight themselves due to plot protection

and even if you’re going to be a rat and completely ignore that ability, there is no way for them to bypass the Type 8 and 9 Immortality as well as the Mid Godly regen that they have because of the existence of the true self. The clones that G&W summon won’t have those because he can’t copy the higher key which facilitate these.

Also there is totally a way to completely negate G&W’s cloning with his Iterative Assimilation ability but you’re probably not going to listen and you’re just going to twist my words anyways.

Don’t come to conclusions when you don’t even know how the abilities work.


 * What are you even talking about. Then what’s the purpose of Type 9 Immortality if you can’t even use it in VSmatches, if you want to negate that point then ask the mods to remove Type 9 immortality from all pages on this wiki.

It also isn’t incap when they can clearly still act. Let alone the fact that they are resistant to BFR.

You realize the sole basis of your argument relies on the you ignoring two major abilities that he has


 * “Stat amping or increasing power level beyond your character's tier will not count, as that's going past the character's current tier. Hax that's above their tier however is still allowed.”


 * They can’t bypass Type 9 Immortality and Mid-Godly regen, so it’s either a big fat inconclusive or eventually Li’Tongyi wins since G&W can’t make any progress on actually killing off the manifestations while Li’Tongyi can slowly chip away at them until they die since the G&W clones won’t have Type 9


 * wtf. You’re just twisting the rules of the thread for the sake of trying to keep G&W on the thread.

You realize even if they don’t use the higher tier attacks, that doesn’t change the fact that they can’t bypass the Type 8 and 9 Immortality and Mid-Godly regen.

No matter what, there is no way for G&W to win other than just making a cloning freak-show and fill the world with clones of Li’Tongyi from both sides. Eventually G&W would die in that scenario anyways depending on the environment. Since they don’t have the immortalities, eventually the clones will die too.

would you prefer Inconclusive? Or are you going to say that G&W wins with the sub-note of you ignoring half of Li’Tongyi’s most crucial abilties that are very well within Tier 8


 * What are you even talking about? Are you that sensitive to insults?

You shouldn’t even be talking because you haven’t found any way to counter Immortality, Regen, and Plot manip


 * well gl with that b/c I’ll nominate The Player (Project Ozone 3) for 4-A