Board Thread:Fun and Games/@comment-26134263-20180422041544/@comment-34461919-20180505090652

Monarch Laciel wrote: SiamesetheKitty wrote:Jayduss (Original Concept) not for 8-C (I believe Lithia has some High 1-A stuff in this key. Correct me if I'm wrong though.), 7-A, 5-A, 4-B, 3-C, 2-B, and 2-A. Simply put, in my original story, Jayduss is basically an avatar of a 1-A being who used a book that manipulates Plot on that same scale as they are to make sure they would get by any challenge in due time. No matter how long it took... (Yeah, the original version of my story was...e r g to say the least)

'''I might even say 1-A because their true essence potentially could have the hierarchy to match Mattias, considering what's listed on the Notes/Trivia section, though I'll, of course, let Monarch decide on that. I doubt they are, though''' Against my better judgement, I've decided to address this.

I just looked at Jaydus's hierarchy, and from what I can see there's even more of a chain of "immeasuraby transcends this guy who immeasurably transcends this guy, who immeasurably transcends this guy etc etc etc" than there is on my heirarchy.

But here's the thing. That doesn't matter. You will not reach the Ultimate Ones simply by stacking "immeasuraby transcends this guy who immeasurably transcends this guy, who immeasurably transcends this guy etc etc etc" on your character's justification.

That's not how the Ultimate One's position works. You can't reach them by climbing from below. Doesn't matter how many times you achieve another infinity^infinity layers of transcendence.

The heirarchy I have shown exists to prove that when I say "the Grain can contain whatever cosmology you want, no matter how large", I am being very literal, not hyperbolic.

​​​​All of that layers of immeasurable transcendence, as much as you want, as much as you are willing to write down - all of it can fit in a single Grain. And the Ultimate Ones will always be beyond the Grain, in the first, and highest world Kadmon, and are the first and highest beings. That is their position in the cosmology. One step down from the Zeroth itself.

The moment you surpass the Ultimate Ones, you are no longer "1-A", or even "at least 1-A". If you write a character that surpasses the Ultimate Ones, they are High 1-A. There's simply nowhere left in the 1-A spot for them to fit. Actually, the (three) High 1-A rule here is a thing, so technically 1-As can still surpass that.