Board Thread:Versus Battles/@comment-37173421-20200109162737/@comment-28644276-20200113193746

Let's see how much I can still make my day worse.

...I'll just state the obvious for Eve, that being how with Yomishka being capable of making so she does not feel tired, she'll "spam" Samsara.

I put "" in front of spam because ultimately Samsara needs simultaneously one and zero uses to go towards endless repeat.

...Normally her body would get tired faster than her Energeia refinement can go and she would collapse/be unable to keep up from the feeling but given the above description of what Yomishka does she would keep pushing on instead.

For one that means there's an infinite casting of Lex Talionis.

Lex Talionis means the actions expand through time rather than space. If she casts whatever part of her skillset in the future that'll need to be blocked in every possible instant and will keep lingering/expanding towards past and future alike.

So even if she's being fought in the present, attacks expanding back from the future will be hitting people out of nowhere assuming their future selves aren't already reacting to them before that moment even arrives.

Likewise, past selves will need to be reacting to those as well as they keep expanding towards even further pasts and futures.

Lex Talionis is also founded upon the Compendium of Hell's Laws (nowhere near as high as the Codex of Creation given how Chaos laughed at it, but still high enough to encompass at least endless alternate planes stacking on top of one another so unless you can block interference from that many alternate lands (Endless planes of the Land of the Dead, Countless Hells within those endless planes of which there are endless scattered throughout the infinite timelines of this one Netzach level (4th tier/dimension of the Theos Dekeract))...

At once throughout past and Future, as well as outweigh the Laws stablished by the Underworld Gods to regulate and bind all these worlds at once under their command, you're being hit full force by it whenever used. And yes, once for each split equal of you throughout space-time.

...This is Lex Talionis.

Now moving on to Samsara. Samsara is a Cycle of Death and Rebirth that, from SiPsi to MS and recently DO, has been shown to be controlled ~ under the jurisdiction of the Death Goddess herself *and* Pandora.

Both of which are ludicrously high-ranking Goddesses in the Gears of Destiny that are on the "top 4" with Aion the Mother. On a 4 Horsemen perspective, Prime/Vanitas Malthus would be Death, Pandora filling War, Aion/NAOMI would fill plague, and Atlach-Nacha famine.

''This means that this power appropriates the same characteristics of Samsara itself. Because they lack a beginning point, all of the user's actions would not only always happen before they are made but would be all but guaranteed to fully connect - as they don't need a "beginning point" where they actually reached or affected the target.''



''It ignores and bypasses natural or supernatural defenses and barriers against it - the absolute lack of necessity for "a beggining point" makes the simple use of Samsara a certainty that it has worked in-verse. No matter how much something could resist or adapt, the power lacks the need of "an instant or situation where it overcame/or bypassed the opposition". It would circumvent such binaries and affect the target before "the point where it overcame or bypassed" anything ever happened. Regardless of whether or not that point would ever come. A beginning or "when" and "how" becomes no more than a discarded "formality" - Sephiria herself commended Veola on this ability.''

...This is an ability limited entirely by Eve's stamina in virtue of how in-verse people often bait her into using it on someone else before jumping in/strike her with more numbers or she's already tired enough that she can't cast it without losing consciousness right away.

This is relevant because in-verse, Lex Talionis throws her entire skillset at the specific target an endless ammount of times and it ignores the fact whatever it is that it's throwing needs to "get a pass" through impediments of any kind to begin with.

Samsara as a cycle scales to the Influence of Prime/Death. Death herself scales to Atlach Nacha, of whose even a lower, mere surface domain (The Isolation Atom) in the land of the dead, already was not contained and enough to dissolve all of dimensional existence, as some excerpts from GO Nephila show:

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...So at the level where you are dealing with Influence of Gods in this scale and the Cycle of Samsara, things such as Perspective, Causality, Time, Space, Concepts, and all aspects of Creation amounts to less than an afterimage -- an illusory mirage reflected within one's eyes, devoid of source. Even Yuji and Amaterasu, who were *just* brought to that level by Atlach herself, could so much as blink during this specific time and all of Creation would have been gone then remade as something else entirely as they opened.

This includes every sort of being from other gods in lower tiers to Fairies in more surface levels of the Dream World who are all well known for all having BS acausality if they are at full power rather than being a mere manifestation in the mortal plane.

...Samsara outclasses all of the above, as having Death's influence on it, it's actually equal in sphere of influence to Atlach-Nacha, and thus also scales to all of the quotes above and Aion the Mother.

So while the skill can effectively get Eve down asap, I'm 99% sure that without the "I get tired mid-cast" limitation of the user being a thingdue to Yomishka forkery... As far as my lore knowledge on these things goes, unless the other side has some ludicrously high tiered counter shenanigans, the skill will work as its intended to and cast Eve's entire skillset through it an endless ammount of times (all resistances thoroughly bypassed), effectively putting down at least one out of the two.

Thankfully, in Eve's case this is also limited to one very unfortunate in-verse target so even if she insta-KO'd she would be left with not many reserves of power herself. If Yomishka's deal as pointed out above is to make her not feel tired, she would go full Samsara and aim to nuke one out of the two even at the cost of becoming far less dangerous for a while, herself. Which one could likely be a thing for the team themselves to decide.

Which of the two she would be using this out on, I don't know. But judging by how much she and Yomishka can figure out during the course of an year -- given the ammount of resistances, formulas and patterns Energeia can assume, as well as her eidetic memory, working together with someone could lead to her figuring out a lot of stuff if the team focuses on that.

...So yes, Samsara is actually more dangerous than Hellfire, from a prep time standpoint.