Board Thread:Versus Battles/@comment-38397104-20200101005752/@comment-24900075-20200113013137

So does Flare have anything to counter immediate Hakai?

Here's stuff from previous debates:

Akreious wrote: Hakai ignores dimensional levels and ignores Concepts and just says "Fuck you"... so... yeah. The Old Willpower Defense would probably be able to fend off Hakai better  Edit: For Context, the Godly Powers such as Godly Ki and Hakai are granted to the users by Zen'Os hand, '''so it's more of a consequence of position rather than the user's individual powers. For this reason, a Hakai is basically a watered-down version of Zen'Os Erase!'''

Akreious wrote: Hakai says "Fuck you" to dimensions. As I explained above, it's based off of Zen'Os Erase which while not nearly as Potent enough as to 1-shot 1-As, '''is theoretically capable of erasing anything of a finite dimensional scale. ''' Also it isn't negating willpower defense; it's bypassing it. Potato tomato :L From Beerus' page, the Hakai negates High-Godly, destroys Abstracts/Concepts, and basically "follows" your being no matter where you are (So all the clones and stuff of Demigra across the Infinity expanse of the Multiverse was erased when a single Demigra was erased- Demigra's only "alive" right now because that Demigra basically guessed he'd be Hakai'd one day so he made a separate body to become its own entity disconnected from the OG Demigra).

In terms of hax Mind Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Fate manipulation are all out in terms of win-cons for Flare. Probability is also likely out given Probability Manip. is a subset of Order manipulation.

One of Flare's win cons would probably be Absolute Destruction if nothing more than the fact that it's a Powerlisting's NLF page :L

I forgot to add Acausality to Beerus' page but it's Types 1 and 4.