Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-29825745-20180505235519

I was thinking on making profiles for three classes of supreme artifacts: Ultimate, Ideal and "Above Metaphysical". They are ultimately based on the platonic concept of an ideal being.

For example, an ideal sword is able to cut through absolutely anything whatsoever, its power being above quantification, and it also has the hax of being a conceptual weapon that can cut not only through anything, but also other concepts, giving it a form of existence erasure where anything it destroys or manages to cut through completely is not only erased, but the history of the universe is rewritten without it. Its wielder is given Ultimate Swordsman abilities (pretty much like having mastered ultra-instinct) and abstract-level attributes (immeasurable speed, etc) above any form of quantifiability. This should, I believe, shoot the sword and whoever possessed it up to 1-A.

The Ultimate Artifacts are on a lower stage: if you check for levels of omnipotence in TV Tropes and Wikipedia, there is a level called Almightiness where the omnipotent isn't limitless, but rather so above anything that nothing can compete with it, even unsuccessfully. These artifacts are like that: unbreakable, having utter infinity in capacity, defying mathematics, however they would lack the hax of cutting through concepts and thus merely be "High 1-B+" (boundlessly infinite power on infinite dimensions) in tier.

On the flipside would be the "Beyond Metaphysical" artifacts which basically have power so great it's not merely abstract, but completely above any possibility of explanation or even conceptualization: impossible ideas made forcibly real through insane methods (such as fusing an "Ideal Sword" with an "Ideal Weapon" and all more than infinite iterations of the "Ultimate Sword" throughout realities — such as timelines or clusters of universes which each count as their own "setting") and are boundlessly above the Ideal Weapons. This incomprehensible power should make them High 1-A.

But while I was thinking on making their profiles here, I noticed they aren't exactly merely creations of mine, but something like interpretations on how these concepts would be "VS-Battles-like", so I decided to ask it:

Would something like an "Ideal Entity" based on the platonic philosophy indeed be adimensional and thus 1-A? Would an almighty object be indeed High 1-B+? I thought of the possibility of the Ultimate artifacts being merely Low 2-C due to having numerically infinite power, although this seemed quite low when compared to another idea of mine — a sword made of space-time fabric forced into another universe and made behave somewhat like matter, and its edge would cut the very fabric of the universe and thus ignore conventional durability of anything on its path  — being possibly on the same tier of something supreme. Would ideal weapons be 1-A, or merely infinite with some hax?

This is also somewhat a philosophical but vsbattles-y discussion thread. 