Thread:Monarch Laciel/@comment-31713670-20170610094414/@comment-31713670-20170610190847

The values aren't final yet but so far it looks something like this.

C rank damage noble phantasms= Can be equal to A-A+ physical attacks, so I used a in between value of 150 with parameter rules it 300 which is enough to block A rank noble phantasms which Heracles does with his A+ strength vs Gil.

Physical parameters A=150 megatons= At least Mountain level B=120 megatons= Mountain level C=90 megatons= At least City level+ Np based on the lowest possible value of Excalibur A++ Rank: At least Small Island level (1 Gigaton) A+ Rank: At least Mountain Level+ (666.666 Megatons) A Rank: At least Mountain level (333.333 Megatons) B Rank: At least Mountain level (266.6664 Megatons) C Rank: At least Mountain level (199.999 Megatons) D Rank: At least Mountain level (133.333 Megatons) E Rank: At least City level+ (66.666 Megatons)

With parameter rules we can also explain Shirous 5,1 megaton Excalibur, firstly he can't project divine constructs because the materials are not from earth however Archer states he can make a kind of convincing copy with the materials on earth and assuming Shirou is skilled enough with Archers arm he could maybe make a degraded and much weaker B++ excalibur copy on the level of Archer. However when Saber is weakened/wounded it is an Anti-Unti noble phantasm which makes it weaker and in Grand order it is also Ranked down to A so with Shirous copy it should be like a B rank anti-fortress noble phantasm. Also seeing as Shirou doesn't have Sabers massive amount of magical energy output needed for an powerful Excaliblast his attack should be even weaker. For example Shirou has a very low magical energy output with Archers Arm maybe he is at 200(his normal output without Archers arm is 10) mana while Saber has 1300 under Shirou and probably 2500 normally under Rin, which is 12,5 times better than Shirou. If we take the Value of B rank noble phantasm at 280 because it is an Anti-Fortress np and divide that by 12,5 we get roughly 22 megaton but since Shirou is using the last of his mana it should be even weaker so maybe 1/4 of its strength which would land it at around 5,5 megatons.