Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-30542316-20170522204707/@comment-30542316-20170530174708

Okay, this is gonna be my final summary on the matter.

My take on "Creative Freedom and OP characters" Now then, anyone is allowed to make a verse as they see fit. If you wanna make an I/O where practically everyone is 1-A? Fine. Not everyone agrees with that but whatever. The goal here is to build up your characters. How many people that make these absurd 1-As and above can say they built up their characters? People like FateAlbane, Ven, and Dragon all want their works to actually BE something one day. Of course this is a place for fan characters as well, but nobody wants to see a Tier 1-B Sonic. It's awful and makes it obvious you only care about power. Like Aku said, power doesn't define your character and how deep/complex they are. Character development, ethical complexity, psychological complexity, and character depth are all what makes a character so great. Hellsing isn't Tier 1 yet it is one of the deepest manga I have ever read. Same with Beserk and Tsubasa Rservior Chronicles (Tsubasa is Tier 2 but still). The Masadaverse and Umineko have tremendous characters, they aren't amazing because they are extremely hax verses, Takashi Masada and Ryukishi07 don't give a damn about vs debating or power levels outside of the consistency and continuity of their own series.

Regarding the "too many powers" aspect. If you have to go a bit in detail with a specific power, go for it. You shouldn't be listing ten rows of powers/abilities for ANY character regardless of tier. Nobody is reading all of that and the powers chosen come from Powerlisting, who have wanked/omni/meta/omnipotent powers that are nonsensicalbor applied to be at their absolute. Too many powers and detail to a point it surpasses ACF's most detailed pages and carry more words than Naruto's wiki page on Narutopedia is unwarranted, unnecessary, awful profile making, and bad judgment bundled together.

I have three manwha and one manga published, all are one shots that I made for amateur competitions from 2012-2015 while I was in Art School and right after I graduated. I love writing characters, I absolutely adore fantasy, the escape from reality, the ability to create your own world figuratively. Ven's old verse was by no means terrible or bad, but it opened the gateway for Suggs-lites to co exist. This is why I told him to rewrite his verse from the ground up, change it's fundamentals, write what you love. etc. And now he's in the process of making a new verse with the same characters he had before, but this new verse focuses on their relationshios, though it is still powerful and peaks at 1-A, it's only a handful of characters and so far it is genius. As soon as Ven stopped worrying about power he was able to make professional tier characters.

This is not even a debate. Creative control my ass, let go of all these ridiculous character ideas you have guys. No tier 0 needs more than one key.  period . No one can become High 1-A.  period . If a character becomes 1-A it better be executed well.  period . No "b...but I WANNA write mah Suggs 2.0!" You cannot succeed where Lionel failed, it's a dead end. There's nothing brilliant about OP characters. Creating them without any philisophical complexity is childish anyway. I expect that from my Ven ten years ago when he was 14, but c'mon.

You are not being impressive that is the terrible truth. Actually such pages are cringeworthy and make people upset. That's why I made this thread to begin with. Again you can make any kind of verse you want. Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Grimdark, Steampunk, Fanfiction, Space Opera, Galaxy Wars, Multiversal Battle Royal, whatever you like but when making these characters PLEASE for the sake of the quality of this wiki and the integrity of it's users...please don't go overboard with tiering and abilities, you can be unique, but not "At least High 1-A" or 9-B, 0 with hax or stupid crap like that.

Why list omnipotence but then list ultipotence and metapotence they are just illogical minor forms of the original. That's not being creative that's being an asshole. "ZOMG I'm gunna make da stronkest character on dis wiki! x3". No...I'd rather see a very compelling 9-B character with backstory, ethical and psychilogical complexity and character development than a over-the-top Tier 1, creativity be damned.